Alternatively, Herman could of course consult a current report from some real climate scientists.

http://www.copenhagendiagnosis.org/default.html

But that wouldn't work as well as a troll, would it?

Spindoc,
Looks like the BBC has finally taken up the story.

Nice calm and respectfull interview, enjoy!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_8394000/8394669.stm

Oscar, Welcome.

I certainly agree with your last parra about we, the people, having to pay for an ETS. Whether it be direct tax or higher prices, we will have to pay and I suggest quite a bit.

I do not feel a bit sorry for Turnbull. I disagree with you here. Turnbull, in dealing with the government on the ETS was simply pushing his own personal agenda. Frankly I think he is too smart to believe in AGW, so I think his motive was so he and his merchant banker mates could be involved in carbon credits trading here. The ETS is simply a tax on us that does nothing to lower CO2.

His own arrogance was his undoing. His reluctance to accept majority opinion. His chant of "I am the leader", "I am the leader" shows that clearly.

I don't know how you can say our society sustains an ignorance of human rights and social justice that is outdated and obsolete.

I also have not met anyone yet that does not agree that the climate changes and has done forever. However there are plenty that do not consider the changes are brought about by human activity. AGW is still only a theory.

I am a sceptic. I know we cannot influence the tides, earthquakes, volcanos, our orbit or rotation, continental drift, etc. yet some seem to think we are of such importance that we influence the climate. We cannot even accurately predict the weather or make it rain!

Sorry, wrong thread. Its getting late!

CJ Morgan,
I think you have a point - there is something very whiffy about this one.

The leaked/hacked emails seem to have arrived on the world stage at a very opportune moment. They seem to have been selectively released, apparently without the benefit of context.

Those who deny climate change appear at once to be skeptical of anything that refutes their point of view, and yet seem quite credulous at the content and timing of this so called "revelation"

Herman is spot on. It is about who controls the world. It has always been about power. God has the power and the devil convinces man that he is the man by twisting the word. The OPEC leaders at their resent summit anounced that there could be no consesus on climate change in Copenhagen so instead would look to implementing a political solution which is the implementing of a world government not elected by the people but all sovereign powers ceded to the new emterty by the signators to the treaty. That is what it is all about.
A left wing socialist led, power grab. A double minded man is unstable in all his ways {good at procrastination} not good at leadership or decisions and most of the wests democracys leaders believe in God but practice evolution {double mindedness} a sure recipe for disaster. When we were facing the red under the bed you knew that he was an agnostic but with the present politicialy correct bunch they act like a cork screw and it is hard to figure out what they stand for unless you look at the big picture