Dear Spindoc,

Me nice?

Well, as my sons will tell you, "Mum's not perfect,
but she's working on it!" (giggle).

To quote Goldie Hawn from her book, "A lotus
grows in the mud" :-

"... I don't have the answers to
the big questions in life. I'm still on my own
road to discovery. And, yes, I've been incredibly
lucky. But everything is relative, everything has
its story; and everyone has obstacles to overcome.
They are our greatest teachers. Each of us goes
through transitions and transformations. The
important thing is that we acknowledge them and learn
from them."

Like most people however, when the right buttons are
pushed - I do react.

Baz,

You really want to get at me don't you even to the level of misinterpreting what I said.

I indicated that the starting date of the legislation was 2011.
I also pointed out, that in response to your claims *specifically* that there are many examples of delayed assent. I also said that even if assented to there was time to amend or repeal said legislation.

FYI. I worked for a publisher whose job it was to report to Lawyers, accountants etc. on assented legislation. I suggest you do some research, which is available, about the dates passed and dates assented and then enacted. The difference between the three is often significant.

So while Rudd could claim a bill was passed it doesn't mean its enacted/proclaimed.

This would have given Rudd options.
E.g. if our major trading partners had poo poo an ETS at Copenhagen then I'd bet that the ETS would have been repealed before its starting date in 2011. He's not that stupid.

True some bills are rushed through 'likerty split' but not all.
Your claims were binary, my answers merely showed that it wasn't necessarily a done deal and god help us.

There is a limit to how much info I can give out, as it is many poster see me as lecturing. I'm not an expert or do I claim to but, but experience plus reading gives me some insight into the *system*.

It seems to me you are trying to side track.

My argument is simply questioning if leopards *can* change spots. As Aristotle said 'we are what we consistently do (not what we say)'

I have also said the same applies to Rudd but we need objective and consider the system which constrains their actions.

IMO the Libs are being oppositional and opportunist.

errr, Examiner, what are you on about ?
I never said anything about assent date times, when anything might be
repealed or anything like that.
Fancy repealing the ETS act if had got through, wow what a climb down
that would be. Oh well it won't happen now anyway.

Dear mud-dwelling lotus (growing in the OLO mud-puddle?)

Let's all hope that Mad Monk, ahh I mean, the Honourable Mr Tony Abbott, can prove to be such a lotus.

To me as a botanist, he currently seems more like a horrible Cabomba and a beautiful Nelumbo.

Time will tell whether he proves to bomb out or break through and blossom.

Cheers

[Cabomba caroliniana (one of our worst invasive aquatic weeds): http://www.weeds.gov.au/publications/guidelines/wons/c-caroliniana.html, http://buyonline24.net/images/Cabomba%20aquatica.jpg ]

[Nelumbo nucifera - Lotus:
http://www.floraphoto.com.au/images/Nelumbo%20nucifera%203,%20Fogg%20Dam,%20NT%20-%20enhanced.jpg ]

Baz,

I've really confused the protagonist here. Sorry sir,
When I re read the comments they should have been directed to BANJO
A thousand+ one apologies.
I should always re-check the person I'm addressing...bad memory, sloppy again please accept my apologies.

Banjo,
My previous comments were meant to address you.

YOOHOO FOXY
I've just sat through another Lecture or two on GW by Prof David Archer.

In the absence of a computer being able to cope with big down loads, read his book 'Global Warming understanding the forecast'. His lectures are base on this book.

The key points he makes is that:
-GW is a continuoum not a series of steps. the so called tipping point is a point beyond which life will be radically changed.
- Also that the longer the delay the harder it will be to level out the Greenhouse effect.
- He explains how and what the IPCC working groups do WG3 is just the sexiest (most dramatic).

He refers to a book "Six Degrees our life on a hotter planet" by Mark Inus . In this book it goes though the *speculation* on what will happen degree by degree.

The book you and I are waiting for, explains the practical mitigation (limiting or avoiding) AGW. He spends time on the differences between Carbon tax and Cap and Trade (ETS), both he and ARCHER say that the ETS is better, but as Usual, the devil is in the detail.
The key point of an ETS is that it values the environmental damage outside the simplistic CO2 release

You might also want to research Amory Lovins -efficiency guru. Apparently he has ideas that won't cost as much as ETS but isn't the entire answer either.

If you could arrange a neutral address for you, I could send you a couple of DVs of the lectures( 40 minutes each 340 MB), that are the most interesting and perspective generating. IMHO Well worth the effort.

Foxy, you gave an open and honest response to my cheeky probe, thank you. You seem a little out of place in this forum and no, i'm not going to be the one to "yank the tigers tail". Some of us do tend to let the side down a bit, lack of self control I guess?