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Understanding Islam

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HermanYutic,

"Are you talking about the Christian fundamentalists who behead Muslims on the internet, etc, etc, ad nauseum"

No, I'm talking about those influential ones like this -

http://adultthought.ucsd.edu/Culture_War/The_American_Taliban.html

"And I thought that the main difference was that Jesus Christ called on his followers to love their enemies" (like some in these forums?) "and Mohammed called on his followers to kill the unbelievers". (There are a lot of dead civilian Iraqis who may have agreed with you if they had the chance.)

I'm not justifying anything, wrong is wrong no matter who does it - only maintaining perspective. Sorry if I strayed from the populist script.
Posted by wobbles, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 8:17:50 PM
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Er Philo - your entire last comment could be equally applied to fundamentalist Christianity.

But only if you wanted to portray it as negatively as possible, without understanding.
Posted by CJ Morgan, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 8:44:11 PM
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So! The Internet is still a place for flapping gums. Funny how you all love a kebab? See, In the real world, we are all one. Australia is a place of Peace, and if you don't like it, well.....// and good luck to you. See!,the world is winding down from the religious ( your this and your that ) and the US is still playing this, well! your not that dumb? Time to think! ( what GOD? ) and if you are still prepared to kill for it, the smaller minds you have.
Have you people lost your minds.

YOU GIVE ME GOD! AND WILL PAY FOR YOUR BULLETS.

Wake up, and think ahead.
Posted by walk with me, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 12:41:05 AM
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CJ,
I have attended lectures by Kaiser Trad on Islam and read the Kor'an for myself. The Lakemba Mosque teaches clearly that Islam is a whole political and religious system.

Indonesia has the largest population of Muslims but their cultural beliefs and expressions are not the same as devotees in the Middle East, they are more pragmatic. They have a mixture of local superstition intertwined in the religion similar to the Christians in Indonesia. Only those taught by hard line Immams hold to the true spirit of Islam and the Kor'an.

The threat is not from the religious area of belief but the political system they believe is the will of Allah that the whole world be subject to His laws
Posted by Philo, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 5:38:28 AM
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You don't listen to yourself, Philo, do you.

>>Only those taught by hard line Immams hold to the true spirit of Islam and the Kor'an.<<

As CJ pointed out, statements like these are no more than manifestations of your personal religious bigotry - along the lines of "my religion is better than yours, so there, nerny nerny ner".

Here's a quote from one of your Christian kinsmen, Philo:

"We recognize that Christ is the light of the world. The lighted cross is a symbol of freedom - freedom from sin - freedom from tyranny. When a Klansman or Klanswoman participates in a cross lighting ceremony they are making a public declaration to Jesus Christ of their continued commitment to the Christian faith."

http://www.kkk.bz/cross.htm

See what I mean?

Just a few subtle alterations to your comment, and we get:

"Only those taught by hard line Klansmen hold to the true spirit of Jesus and the Bible"

It's OK, I am aware that these parallels mean absolutely nothing to you.

But you can possibly see how others, not so wrapped up in fear and loathing of people who don't share their beliefs, can sometimes find your rantings a little... how shall we say it gently... distasteful?
Posted by Pericles, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 7:18:14 AM
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Fellow_Human,
I think it was Churchill who said “How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as (rabies) in a dog…No stronger retrograde force exists in the world…Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith”

wobbly thinker,
You refuse to get it.
The “American Taliban” SAY things that some find offensive.
The Islamic Taliban rape women who they consider inappropriately dressed, they burn girl’s schools, they behead infidels.
How can you persist in drawing an equivalence?
Is that how you reconcile the cognitive dissonance between your ideology and what you actually see?
“They say things I find offensive so they’re just as bad as the Taliban”?
This says more about you than it does about the “American Taliban”.

Philo,
You forgot to mention the Indonesian Aceh province passing a law making stoning the penalty for adultery.
Must be a quaint local custom that they’re reviving.

Pericles,
You are concocting false parallels between a radical fringe element group, whose views are rightly and roundly repudiated by “Christendom”, and Islamists.
Please show me where around the world the KKK are bombing train stations and bringing down skyscrapers while Christians rally in the streets to applaud their actions.
How you can reconcile within your mind such ludicrous analogies beggars the imagination.
Posted by HermanYutic, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 8:17:14 AM
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