Pericles,have you done the sums? This figure of $2.4 trillion gone missing was from Rumsfeld's own mouth.It represents 1/4 of the US budget for defence.$2.4 trillion represents $8,000.00 for every person in the USA.Four times this is $32,000.00 for every person.In a more recent incident the Fed Inspector for the Govt Elizabeth Coleman could not account for $1 trillion of bailout money which the tax payer was obligated to repay with interest. No wonder the USA is broke.They are spending more than they can create.

Webster Griffin Tarpley says that the total US debt is $150 trillion or $ 487,000.00 for every person in the USA.I find this hard to believe.The pop of the USA is 308 million.If anything like this is true,then the US dollar will collapse to nothing.

Pericles,sadly you are reduced to ridicule without backing your arguments with facts and stats.see another reality that our Govt will not allow to be shown here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_tf25lx_3o

For those anti-'fact finders',here is Ron Paul 21 years ago:
Talking about consistency!

http://media.abovetopsecret.com/media/3400/Ron_Paul_The_American_Power_Elite_-_Vintage_Video_from_1988/
(in three parts)

Arjay, have you ever lost your car keys?

>>This figure of $2.4 trillion gone missing was from Rumsfeld's own mouth<<

And have you ever, after a search around the house, worked out that they were never actually missing, merely someplace you hadn't looked?

The fact is, massive accounting systems - the kind that track amounts measured in trillions - are complex beasts. They require careful coordination, and efficient interfaces, at every level.

This is exactly what Rumsfield was complaining about.

"The technology revolution has transformed organizations across the private sector, but not ours, not fully, not yet. We are, as they say, tangled in our anchor chain. Our financial systems are decades old. According to some estimates, we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions."

Note the "according to some estimates".

http://www.defenselink.mil/speeches/speech.aspx?speechid=430

The fact is, because the systems are a) ancient and b) uncoordinated, no-one at the top of the information pyramid actually can pinpoint how it is all being spent.

Poor Elizabeth Coleman no doubt suffered the same problem.

>>the Fed Inspector for the Govt Elizabeth Coleman could not account for $1 trillion of bailout money<<

It wasn't that she couldn't "account for it", just that she couldn't answer the question accurately while sitting in that chair.

You conspiracy nuts can manufacture the most impressive-looking mountains out of the most innocuous molehills.

And that goes equally for your mysterious "nano-thermite" 9/11 wacko theory too. As I pointed out on another thread, it doesn't stack up.

And finally eftfnc, just because you say something twice, doesn't make it any more true.

>>here is Ron Paul 21 years ago:Talking about consistency!<<

Being a consistent conspiracy theorist doesn't make the theory any more likely.

Pericles on the issue of nano thermite Prof Niels Harrit and 8 other scientists after 2 yrs of study have positive proof that explosives were placed in all 3 towers.One was na Australian researcher.Do you as an accountant now know more than 8 scientists,and 876 Architects and Engineers.WTC building 7 came dowm in a classical controlled demolition style with no plane impact.You obiviously have not viewed all the evidence.see http://www.aetruth.org/

"Have you ever lost your keys."Give us a break.Can you not account for 25% of your investments or savings after an audit?The tax man would be very interested in that!

The other point you have failed to address is that $10 trillion in defence expediture p.a. represents almost $130,000.00 per family of 4 in the USA.They don't earn that much on average let alone pay the taxes just for defence.So who is fiddling the figures?

I've no idea how you came to the conclusion that I am an accountant, Arjay.

>>Do you as an accountant now know more than 8 scientists,and 876 Architects and Engineers.<<

Maybe it is just because I can actually count.

>>The other point you have failed to address is that $10 trillion in defence expediture p.a. represents almost $130,000.00 per family of 4 in the USA.They don't earn that much on average let alone pay the taxes just for defence.So who is fiddling the figures?<<

Or perhaps you simply don't read all the information.

The figure Rummy provided was not an annual figure, it was a total figure. And it had been arrived at "according to some estimates".

I provided you with a link to the actual speech where he made this statement.

Did you read it? Did you understand it?

He did not say "$2.3 trillion is missing". He said that "according to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions".

Only a dedicated conspiracy theorist could possibly turn his frustration with inconsistent IT systems into i) an accusation of the theft of $2.3 trillion and ii) a wild-assed conclusion about the size of the US Defence budget.

Is it any wonder, when you fail to understand such simple facts, written in plain English, that your ramblings about non-existent 9/11 explosives cannot possibly be taken seriously.

Sometimes, Arjay, your posts make me laugh out loud.

>>Pericles,sadly you are reduced to ridicule without backing your arguments with facts and stats<<

That's from someone whose "facts and stats" are almost invariably wrong.

It took me ages to educate you on the ins and outs of GDP, remember?

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2953#67792

Now I'm having to point out that there is a difference between $2.3 trillion, and 2.3 trillion per annum.

You should know, right off the bat, that it is pure nonsense that you are peddling here.

It only makes you look crazy when you come out with stuff like this:

>>Pericles on the issue of nano thermite Prof Niels Harrit and 8 other scientists after 2 yrs of study have positive proof that explosives were placed in all 3 towers.<<

(The link you provide doesn't work, by the way. I think you mean http://www.ae911truth.org/ Just another example of your sloppy work, I'm afraid.)

Your "positive proof" is an illusion.

The strongest words that even the most conspiratorial scientist will use are in the "the evidence suggests" or "consistent with the theory" category.

None - not one - uses the word "proof". Check it out yourself.

You really should be careful of the company you keep. They can lead you astray.

>>Webster Griffin Tarpley says that the total US debt is $150 trillion<<

With these people as your gurus Arjay, no wonder you write such nonsense.

Incidentally, where did he make this estimate? And what does he base it on?

You might like to store away this little gem, that I picked up from one of the "9/11 was a government conspiracy" sites. You can use it against me, next time I trash one of your loony-tunes theories. Which, I guess, will be along soon.

"...what type of person has the time to "debunk" subjects that they think are "crazy" The fact that they even want to "debunk" is more proof we are over the target."

Yep. The more we tell you you are an idiot, the more likely it is that you must be telling the truth.

Hallelujah.