I bet you won't see this reported on the popular media here.290 US Congressmen now have supported HR 1207 for an independant audit of the US Federal Reserve.With 2/3 of Congress supporting the Bill ,not even Obama can stop it.See Alan Grayson for the Democrats announce this milestone. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUeE_na_JtY

This could be the beginning of ending the stranglehold of Corporate power over Govt.There will be much twoing and froeing in the coming months.The Fed has enormous power with strong ties to banks in England and Europe.This is a David and Goliath struggle.There are those going weak at the knees fearing that the Central banks will again cut monetary supply to fend off an audit,as they did in the Great Depression and cause even more unemployment.Ron Paul estimates real unemployment to be 16%.

What most nations around the planet do not realise,is that the Bretton Woods agreement of 1940 favours those the Central Banks who basically create most of their credit in their computers.

Germany was sent broke by the Central Bankers after WW1,but Hitler created his own credit and Germany almost became the most powerful nation on the planet.

Soverign nations can create their own credit without being in debt.Money only represents human potential and inflation can be controlled internally by keeping monetary supply in proportion with productivity.The Private US Fed did not do this in the USA.

Go Ron Paul,

He is truly refreshing, inspiring man.

Probably the most qualified and informed economically, but the last person the US govt would ever listen to.

The outcome should be very interesting.

From the discussion heading, I nearly thought that it was about Ron Paul getting a new flash car...

However, despite not sharing Arjay's penchant for conspiracy theories, it will be interesting to see what comes out of the audit.

Prepare for bitter disappointment...

CJ Morgan who have to distinguish between and Audi and an Audit.You drive and Audi while an Audit can drive you to distraction or bankruptacy.

Instead of attacking my credibility see http://ae911truth.org/
Disprove the reality you see there and then I will be impressed.Almost 900 Architects/Engineers who have new scientific evidence proving that the official Govt story to be both implausible and full of factual errors.

This is only the beginning of real change and it will take a lot of education and dedication by everyone,to bring about true liberty and democracy for us all.

In 2003 Ron Paul predicted that the housing loans debacle of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae would trigger a global crisis of credit and he was right.see http://www.ronpaul.com/2009-09-/ron-paul-on-msnbc-end-the -fed/#comments

The following is copied from the 9/11 Timeline webpage (see: http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&before_9/11=complete_911_timeline_other_pre_9_11_events ). It is the second-last entry on the page, so scroll right down.

"September 10, 2001: Rumsfeld Announces Defense Department Cannot Track $2.3 Trillion in Transactions


In a speech to the Department of Defense, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld announces that the Department of Defense “cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions.” CBS later calculates that 25 percent of the yearly defense budget is unaccounted for, and quotes a long-time defense budget analyst: “[Their] numbers are pie in the sky. The books are cooked routinely year after year.” Coverage of this rather shocking story is nearly nonexistent given the events of the next day. [US Department of Defense, 9/10/2001; CBS News, 1/29/2002]

In April 2002 it will be revealed that $1.1 trillion of the missing money comes from the 2000 fiscal year. Auditors won’t even quantify how much money is missing from fiscal year 2001, causing “some [to] fear it’s worse” than 2000. The Department of the Army will state that it won’t publish a stand-alone financial statement for 2001 because of “the loss of financial-management personnel sustained during the Sept. 11 terrorist attack.” [Insight, 4/29/2002] This $1.1 trillion plus unknown additional amounts continues to remain unaccounted for, and auditors say it may take eight years of reorganization before a proper accounting can be done. [Insight, 8/21/2003]"

Now I don't know about others, but I find Rumsfeld's announcement, understandably sidelined as it was by the reportage of the events of the following day, to be conceivably relevant to the onset of the global financial crisis of 2008. I am accepting at face value the purported references as being substantiable. My suspicion is heightened if it is correct that the location of the impact sustained by the Pentagon building just happened to occur in the locality of the Defense Department audit organisation.

Thanks for the links Forrest.It looks like $ trillions have been mis-appropriated.Obama has elected to keep the Patriot Act and Bush's executive powers for another yr.The US $ is now entering freefall which will mean enormous changes for us all.

The Fed feeling cornered,may do something really stupid.We need to create more awareness and get sane and educated people involved in finding solutions.

PS. Richard Gage from Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth is coming to Sydney on the 14th Nov for an international conference.It will be at the Tom Mann Theatre @Surrey Hills .All are welcome. Book tickets http://www.thehardevidence.com/

Forrest here is confrimation of your post by Rumsfeld himself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU4GdHLUHwU

Apparently this wasn't the only incident.They have pilfered the US economy and left ordinary Americans destitute.I hope we can all find a peaceful solution to this mess.We have to rally people from all walks of life to get concerned and involved.

The lunatics have been in charge for long enough!

Great post ARJAY
What was that great line?
First they ridicule you, then they....., finally they...?

CJM:
I would suggest to replace the words Conspiracy theorists with the words Fact Finders.

Arjay's indulging in a very common phenomenon these days: deifying economists who forsaw the credit crunch. The LaRouche nuts love it, too.

The problem is, each conspiracy theorist believes that their guru alone had the smarts to see it coming.

In fact, hundreds of economists and market-watchers had been shouting about the impending collapse for years, but no-one paid attention in the rush to invest in the bubble. I own at least three books published prior to 2008 that state as a matter of certainty that all the fake money in the economy will soon vaporise.

Laud Ron Paul for his achievements, by all means, but don't assume he's some superior bearer of wisdom and ideals.

Thanks for today's second rib-tickler, eftfnc.

>>CJM: I would suggest to replace the words Conspiracy theorists with the words Fact Finders.<<

That's a brilliant suggestion. But only if you believe the "fact" that Obama is an Islamist sleeper, 9/11 was a plot hatched by the Vatican with help of Israel, and the Easter Bunny is being held captive in Area 51.

The last - the very, very last - thing a conspiracy nut wants, is for facts to emerge. Compared to a conspiracy, reality is so... so...

Boring.

I'm truly glad of course that Arjay sees this possible Fed audit as a victory. I hope he won't be upset when the actual outcome - should there be one - does not meet his expectations.

As far as I can tell, only the total abolition of the Fed, and a return to the Gold (or silver, or platinum, or zinc, or autumn leaves) standard will satisfy his insatiable appetite for fiscal mediocrity.

But at least, when the audit report is in, and he can see that nothing significant has come from it, he can redouble his cries of "It's a conspiracy, it's a conspiracy I tell you"

In other words, to specifically deny any findings of fact that the fact finders in the Fed audit might unearth.

So, can we now let this rest until the report comes out?

And shall we have a sweepstake on which month in which year it might appear?

To make it a really interesting bet, we could double down on who will be US President when that happens...

Pericles,have you done the sums? This figure of $2.4 trillion gone missing was from Rumsfeld's own mouth.It represents 1/4 of the US budget for defence.$2.4 trillion represents $8,000.00 for every person in the USA.Four times this is $32,000.00 for every person.In a more recent incident the Fed Inspector for the Govt Elizabeth Coleman could not account for $1 trillion of bailout money which the tax payer was obligated to repay with interest. No wonder the USA is broke.They are spending more than they can create.

Webster Griffin Tarpley says that the total US debt is $150 trillion or $ 487,000.00 for every person in the USA.I find this hard to believe.The pop of the USA is 308 million.If anything like this is true,then the US dollar will collapse to nothing.

Pericles,sadly you are reduced to ridicule without backing your arguments with facts and stats.see another reality that our Govt will not allow to be shown here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_tf25lx_3o

For those anti-'fact finders',here is Ron Paul 21 years ago:
Talking about consistency!

http://media.abovetopsecret.com/media/3400/Ron_Paul_The_American_Power_Elite_-_Vintage_Video_from_1988/
(in three parts)

Arjay, have you ever lost your car keys?

>>This figure of $2.4 trillion gone missing was from Rumsfeld's own mouth<<

And have you ever, after a search around the house, worked out that they were never actually missing, merely someplace you hadn't looked?

The fact is, massive accounting systems - the kind that track amounts measured in trillions - are complex beasts. They require careful coordination, and efficient interfaces, at every level.

This is exactly what Rumsfield was complaining about.

"The technology revolution has transformed organizations across the private sector, but not ours, not fully, not yet. We are, as they say, tangled in our anchor chain. Our financial systems are decades old. According to some estimates, we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions."

Note the "according to some estimates".

http://www.defenselink.mil/speeches/speech.aspx?speechid=430

The fact is, because the systems are a) ancient and b) uncoordinated, no-one at the top of the information pyramid actually can pinpoint how it is all being spent.

Poor Elizabeth Coleman no doubt suffered the same problem.

>>the Fed Inspector for the Govt Elizabeth Coleman could not account for $1 trillion of bailout money<<

It wasn't that she couldn't "account for it", just that she couldn't answer the question accurately while sitting in that chair.

You conspiracy nuts can manufacture the most impressive-looking mountains out of the most innocuous molehills.

And that goes equally for your mysterious "nano-thermite" 9/11 wacko theory too. As I pointed out on another thread, it doesn't stack up.

And finally eftfnc, just because you say something twice, doesn't make it any more true.

>>here is Ron Paul 21 years ago:Talking about consistency!<<

Being a consistent conspiracy theorist doesn't make the theory any more likely.

Pericles on the issue of nano thermite Prof Niels Harrit and 8 other scientists after 2 yrs of study have positive proof that explosives were placed in all 3 towers.One was na Australian researcher.Do you as an accountant now know more than 8 scientists,and 876 Architects and Engineers.WTC building 7 came dowm in a classical controlled demolition style with no plane impact.You obiviously have not viewed all the evidence.see http://www.aetruth.org/

"Have you ever lost your keys."Give us a break.Can you not account for 25% of your investments or savings after an audit?The tax man would be very interested in that!

The other point you have failed to address is that $10 trillion in defence expediture p.a. represents almost $130,000.00 per family of 4 in the USA.They don't earn that much on average let alone pay the taxes just for defence.So who is fiddling the figures?

I've no idea how you came to the conclusion that I am an accountant, Arjay.

>>Do you as an accountant now know more than 8 scientists,and 876 Architects and Engineers.<<

Maybe it is just because I can actually count.

>>The other point you have failed to address is that $10 trillion in defence expediture p.a. represents almost $130,000.00 per family of 4 in the USA.They don't earn that much on average let alone pay the taxes just for defence.So who is fiddling the figures?<<

Or perhaps you simply don't read all the information.

The figure Rummy provided was not an annual figure, it was a total figure. And it had been arrived at "according to some estimates".

I provided you with a link to the actual speech where he made this statement.

Did you read it? Did you understand it?

He did not say "$2.3 trillion is missing". He said that "according to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions".

Only a dedicated conspiracy theorist could possibly turn his frustration with inconsistent IT systems into i) an accusation of the theft of $2.3 trillion and ii) a wild-assed conclusion about the size of the US Defence budget.

Is it any wonder, when you fail to understand such simple facts, written in plain English, that your ramblings about non-existent 9/11 explosives cannot possibly be taken seriously.

Sometimes, Arjay, your posts make me laugh out loud.

>>Pericles,sadly you are reduced to ridicule without backing your arguments with facts and stats<<

That's from someone whose "facts and stats" are almost invariably wrong.

It took me ages to educate you on the ins and outs of GDP, remember?

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2953#67792

Now I'm having to point out that there is a difference between $2.3 trillion, and 2.3 trillion per annum.

You should know, right off the bat, that it is pure nonsense that you are peddling here.

It only makes you look crazy when you come out with stuff like this:

>>Pericles on the issue of nano thermite Prof Niels Harrit and 8 other scientists after 2 yrs of study have positive proof that explosives were placed in all 3 towers.<<

(The link you provide doesn't work, by the way. I think you mean http://www.ae911truth.org/ Just another example of your sloppy work, I'm afraid.)

Your "positive proof" is an illusion.

The strongest words that even the most conspiratorial scientist will use are in the "the evidence suggests" or "consistent with the theory" category.

None - not one - uses the word "proof". Check it out yourself.

You really should be careful of the company you keep. They can lead you astray.

>>Webster Griffin Tarpley says that the total US debt is $150 trillion<<

With these people as your gurus Arjay, no wonder you write such nonsense.

Incidentally, where did he make this estimate? And what does he base it on?

You might like to store away this little gem, that I picked up from one of the "9/11 was a government conspiracy" sites. You can use it against me, next time I trash one of your loony-tunes theories. Which, I guess, will be along soon.

"...what type of person has the time to "debunk" subjects that they think are "crazy" The fact that they even want to "debunk" is more proof we are over the target."

Yep. The more we tell you you are an idiot, the more likely it is that you must be telling the truth.

Hallelujah.

Pericles, I'd say that Arjay and other conspiracy nuts are simply
not aware, how profitable the conspiracy business can really be.

There was a report of Bloomberg, who is having a go at Wall St, for
making too much money. It turns out that Moore himself has grossed
over 325 million $ from movies, books, dvds, over the last 20 years,
with a great deal more to come from his latest venture.

Moore portrays the anti establishment dude, but with that kind
of earnings pouring in the door, no frigging wonder he does it!

Consumers lap it up, so its clearly a highly profitable business to
be in. You only need to convince 1% and you are in the money.

The evidence is there Yabby and you and Pericles refuse to view it.New visuals reveal the truth.How did they get up to 100 tonnes of explosives in 3 building? Well perhaps we should ask Marvin Bush George's brother who owned the security company that controlled security at the WTC.
The link does work Pericles.If you cannot find it just google Prof Niels Harrit and Nano-thermite.

John Bursill runs the Aust arm of aetruth.http://www.ae911oz

You genuinely don't get it, do you Arjay.

>>The evidence is there Yabby and you and Pericles refuse to view it.<<

I have visited all the sites you have linked to, even when you are too slack to give an accurate URL.

>>The link does work Pericles<<

Go back and check: http://www.aetruth.org/ does not work.

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3070#72462

Accurate. Factual. Intellectually rigourous. Objective.

Words you need to become familiar with, Arjay, because right now, you are none of these.

>>How did they get up to 100 tonnes of explosives in 3 building?Well perhaps we should ask Marvin Bush George's brother who owned the security company that controlled security at the WTC<<

You see, you are simply inventing a new conspiracy theory - that Bush was involved in setting explosives - to cover a massive hole in the original theory: that it is impossible to conceal the placement of the amount of explosives that are needed to support the demolition story.

Don't you understand how stupid this all is? Have you any concept of the complexity of the logistics to bring this off? It would require the story to be kept secret by literally thousands of people - any one of whom could be a multi-millionnaire overnight, just by appearing once on Letterman.

And quite frankly, from what we read about the security services in the US, I cannot see any of them - or all of them together - organizing an exercise this complex.

Didn't happen.

Get over it.

Find something useful to do with your time. Like trainspotting. Or collecting matchboxes.

My computer did a dummy spit.Try http://ae911truth.org/
The evidence is real,scientific and unable to be disproven by you Pericles or other professionals in the engineering/scientific world.Reinforced concrete steel buildings have never before come down in fires raging for 24hrs let alone just one.

There are just too many anomolies that make the official story totally implausible.See for yourself.

Ok Arjay, now you can go back and correct this one.

>>John Bursill runs the Aust arm of aetruth.http://www.ae911oz <<

I'm sure you'll get the hang of it soon..

But you need to stop exaggerating, even though I know you only do it to hide the fact that you, too, know deep down that you are perpetuating a nonsense.

>>The evidence is real,scientific and unable to be disproven by you Pericles or other professionals in the engineering/scientific world<<

Of course I can't disprove it, in exactly the same manner as you cannot prove it. We both rely upon the work of others.

You select as your heroes those who write about various ways in which, in their fantasy, 9/11 might have been the work of anyone but Islamic terrorists. From the CIA, to aliens from the planet Zog.

I on the other hand read the work of people who identify the massive holes in the "evidence" put forward by these attention-seekers.

And as far as nano-thermite is concerned, these holes are simply enormous.

As I mentioned in a previous post on the same topic:

>>The evidence that nanothermite was present in samples of dust taken from the vicinity of the towers is irreducibly vague. It talks about the presence of aluminium and iron oxide in samples, as if the only way their presence could be justified was in nano-thermite form. Conveniently ignoring that the building contained thousands of tons of aluminium, and significant amounts of rust, simply because it was... a building. Also completely ignoring the fact that a residue of "spent" thermite is barium nitrate. None of which was found. Even by the conspiracy-dudes.<<

Tell me, do you simply ignore these observations because you don't like them?

I notice that you haven't actually refuted any of them, so I assume they just don't register in your consciousness. Like those South Sea Islanders who reportedly "couldn't see" the sailing ships in the bay, because their brains couldn't process the information.

Life is interesting enough, Arjay, without needing to spice it up with your own personal version of an airport novel.

Barium Nitrate cannot possible be a residue of Nanao-Thermite.Nano thermite is Al fe2 o3 or one aluminium atom 2 iron atoms and 3 oxygen atoms.There are also minor elements such as sulphur,magnesium used but how can 2 unrelated elements[ie nitrogen and barium] suddenly appear as the result of a chemical reaction?[I did chemistry at school]

Unreacted nano thermite was found by Niels Harrit and this in his view was the "loaded gun" This was a highly sophistocated explosive that should not be in any building.How do you explain that Pericles?

By the way Ron Paul now has 294 Congressmen supporting his bill to Audit the Fed.The momentum of change is overcoming you Pericles.Do you have time to jump ships?

OK, Arjay, so there are versions of thermite without the additive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermite

The fact remains that the most commonly available military-use version would leave the barium nitrate residue.

Bu you need to accept that the presence of thermite is theoretical, not factual.

http://www.de-fact-o.com/fact_read.php?id=8

Just because you can imagine something, Arjay, doesn't mean it suddenly becomes a fact. You need to include a plausibility factor.

Your process is to pile one possibility (thermite was present) onto another (that it was used to destroy the building) onto another (that George Bush helped shift hundreds of tons of the stuff into the building) onto another (that the explosions were coordinated with the acts of terrorism that flew planes into the WTC) to suit your conspiracy agenda.

If I was found slumped over my keyboard in my upstairs study with a knife between my shoulder blades in the middle of writing this to you, and it was determined that a) you had knives in your kitchen drawer, b) you have previously used them to cut meat and c) you have been seen in the past climbing stairs, would it be realistic to accuse you of my murder?

Because that's the territory we're in here, you know.

As for the audit, I'll just repeat what I said earlier.

>>I'm truly glad of course that Arjay sees this possible Fed audit as a victory. I hope he won't be upset when the actual outcome - should there be one - does not meet his expectations.<<

Have a great day.