i read from the link
a dueling scene apparently...then some other stuff that links to topic
sometghing about voting but affectivly not a real lot more about any brits[either mine or yours nor no julia,nor drugs...though i felt stoned reading it
i went to the fist post[after reading a lot of fiction...and cant be bothered reading that further..Fractelle,<<..The above line is from one of my favourite films, ‘Cool Hand Luke’...I have already ‘outed’ myself as a nerd,..and now I confess that I am a bit of a movie buff, with a preference for film noir. And no-one has presented miscommunication as effectively as Paul Newman’s character in that seminal film.

One of the biggest problems facing the inveterate OLOer is getting our meaning across to others.>>>and for me it seemed all seemed pretty clear[was fractile a surrogerate for julie wonders johan

but back the the quote...about our poor comunication skills[a point indidnt oobserve from your link..in fact i see no relation ship to the info postedc previously..unless fractile went to daddy[that dosnt read so[or i m,missed it[im socialy blind

fractile..<Sometimes we succeed,..sometimes we fail...I am as guilty as any when it comes to misreading or misunderstanding another’s post.

Also, irony is difficult even in conversation and it becomes even more of a challenge when in written form...Also we are often forced to use capitals when trying to place emphasis, which means that the post can appear ‘LOUD’.

Please OLO editors facilitate communication and provide the tools we need. The technology is out there.

Gentle OLOer, if you would like a more sophisticated editing system for your posts, please put forward your agreement here.

And if not: why not?>>>i hate change for change sake[ok make the print larger...but the rest too much risk to the forum structure..that is just got it bugs sorted...except for going down a few times...only to be expected by those in power..to use their powers

seems iots multijuristyictional issues..thaty fail the first hurdle...the breaking of the juristictional law[no victim no crime

Forrest hadn't realized at the time he had made the (now deleted) first post to the Deputy PM's article 'Driven by indignation at injustice', that that article was the vanguard of the OLO October Feature 'Personal Epiphanies'. Gee, had his post been a thread-killer, or seen as such? Forrest didn't think so (he wasn't that powerful), but it did cast the 'off-topic' complaint and subsequent moderation decision in a different light. A lot of OLO work stood to have been stonkered, albeit unintendedly. Something had had to be done.

Forrest's post (of which he was so proud) would have provided the Deputy PM with a perfect opportunity to have proven her claim as to what drove her, however. Maybe even resulted in a new epiphany for her. It had been all about injustice, and engendered indignation. See for yourself.

Here completeth the deleted text:

"I make no representations as to the innocence of this couple. The thing is, it has been, I understand, claimed by the US authorities in relation to this matter that the Howes' have also knowingly supplied such chemicals to Australian Class A drug dealers.

http://extradition.org.uk/2008/12/28/amateur-pyrotechnics-couple-face-us-extradition-hearing-in-january/

This, I suggest, should be put to the test. If there is evidence to this effect, Australian authorities should already know of it. If they do, should not Australia seek the extradition of this couple as a matter of urgency? Should not such an Australian extradition request, being from another British Commonwealth country, take precedence over one from the US?

Unlike the situation prevailing under the UK-US one-sided post-September 11 extradition treaty, which allows UK citizens to be forced to the US to stand trial and to be extradited without presentation of prima facie evidence of criminality, an Australian extradition request would result in an extradition hearing in the UK, wouldn't it?

http://extradition.org.uk/2009/04/27/couple-faces-extradition-over-chemical-sales/

Justice."

END

Note, the first link in the text quoted was not in the original post, but should have been. I had lost sight of it, and have only just tracked it down.

Belly-up?

Forrest felt so much better now.

It is testimony to the relatively light and fair hand of moderation that GrahamY exercises over the Onlineopinion Forum that Forrest's preceding three posts are still up for all the world to see. Especially with Forrest having once, several years ago, called Graham a 'country express', spoken with that most inopportune stutter that sometimes afflicts him.

It nevertheless must have been like manner from heaven to GrahamY when some senior public servant denizen of OLO, probably from the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet (DPMC), had clicked the little red crossed-baseball-bats icon and requested that the original first post to the Deputy PM's 'personal epiphany' article be deleted. Otherwise the first article of the October Feature might never have got off the ground properly. No doubt that archtypical 'public servant' or 'political staffer' could see the workload coming that Forrest's post would undoubtedly generate if the Deputy PM should be believably thought to have read it.

Huge international diplomatic incident just waiting in the wings to happen.

It was just as well for those public servants and political staffers that the present Federal Parliamentary Opposition by and large weren't worth a stamp. They, too, had staffers whose job it was to monitor the free press (which these days meant forums and such, like OLO), and some of these staffers could actually read! For any of them to actually detect the smell, however, that was arising from the Howes' extradition (or the Polanski one for that matter), would probably require someone to run a bobcat load of the proverbial right into their plush green and grey, or pink and grey, decored offices.

Suddenly Forrest had the answer!

Bob Katter.

Bob Katter, the Independent Member for Kennedy in Federal Parliament, was committed to standing up against, among other things, the state's removal of people's rights.

http://www.bobkatter.com.au/

Bob was a real Aussie, not like so many others of the wimpish politically-correct type that now infest Australian politics. Forrest knew that if you wanted something done, ask a busy man.

Although plausible deniability with respect as to having been informed of the relevance of the Howes' extradition matter was now a lost cause for the Deputy PM, political manna from heaven had nevertheless fallen into her lap.

Forrest just knew he would have to walk her through it.

Although trumping the US application for extradition of the Howes couple from the UK with an Australian request for extradition was something the Australian government could presently refrain from doing, Julia Gillard held an ace, which, if she played it, could ensure the probable fragmentation of the Liberal Party 'opposition' for a generation.

The intended extradition of the Howes' without even a hearing in the UK was an outrageous betrayal not only of Britain's long and proud heritage of the rule of law, but of the hundred thousand Australian war dead, and more, of the last century that had given their lives to help protect that heritage.

The thing was, the previous Australian government had done it too, already! The case of Hew Griffiths' extradition for trial in the US, when what he was accused of doing was also an offence here in Australia for which he could, and should, have been tried here, was a case in point.

http://bit.ly/TtjOs

The present ALP government could play merry hell with that record if it successfully intervened in the Howes' extradition! And it could demonstrate something other than completely supine compliance with what was becoming an increasingly arrogant US foreign policy that was taking its staunchest allies, and their legal process, completely for granted.

The question was, was the Deputy PM a true-blue Aussie through and through? She might come to be conflicted when she realises that there might have to be an electoral price paid by the present Labour government in the UK once the necessary hearing attendant upon an Australian extradition application is held.

Forrest reckoned that by now Bob Katter was well aware of this matter.

Forrest also wondered what Nye Bevan would have thought of the present Labour governments, both here, and there.

Forrest was powering on.

Some days are diamonds, and some days are stones.

For Julia and Bob today looked like being a diamond. For Julia the prospect in the not too distant future of a new epiphany, a joining of the company of Golda, Indira, and Margaret Hilda, if only she simply kept her nose clean and told the truth. For Bob, payback time for the economic rationalists, settlement day for the dues owed the bush, and the initiation of the restructuring of Australian politics. It looked like being a most interesting political marriage of convenience, Bob and Julia's, in the mean time.

Forrest had a feeling in his water that Onlineopinion might shortly be featuring in question time at Parliament House when sittings resumed. So today was probably going to be a diamond for GrahamY, even if a perhaps somewhat rough one.

For Malcolm Bankster Turnbull today looked like being a stone.

There was a certain madness to Forrest's method. It was a bit like pointing the bone, or singing a stone. Slowly Forrest began to chant the magical incantation:

"Joh, Joh
Kennedy, Kennedy
Let's go to the Court of St James ...."

The homophonic parody of the old satirical poem would mean different things to different people. For Malcolm Turnbull the term 'hockey stick', associated as it was with climate change, had acquired a whole new meaning. "Joe, Joe ..." It also called to mind the near shave he had had in Wentworth with that Parkinson's NSW publicity campaign, when a very old and infirm political warrior may have considered nominating against him, and going out with his boots on, taking Malcolm down with him. "Joh, Joh ..."

In Washington it would call to mind those now departed Lords Warden of the Cinque Ports, and what they had been prepared to do to preserve the lives and liberties of their respective nations. It might look like all their Christmasses were coming at once.

In London, the ghosts of Aneurin Bevan and Enoch Powell would be haunting Westminster, witnesses to the shame of the planned Howes' extradition: Britain's new darkest hour.

Ode to McCrae

There stand the crosses
Row on row
And nightly still to this very day
At the Menin Gate does a trumpet blow
In memory of those who lie below
In Flanders fields.

Seems they died in vain
those men of old
whose names are writ on the Menin Gate
whose bones lie scattered around, below
In Flanders fields,
where the poppies grow.

In that other field,
where King John did yield
In Britain, yes, that Britain of old
where beneath the gaze of the Barons bold
on parchment that Great Charter was writ;
the weeds now grow, and cover it.

In Flanders fields, though long out of the fight
The million dead lie awake all night.
The torch on the ground, out, covered with weeds
The faith now broken, of Runnymede.

For Britain now is a modern state
Law and liberties? What are they mate?
Where heritage now just counts for nought,
and trial and hearings routinely abort.
Where just because of a terrorist fright
for the asking they'll readily extradite.