Just out of interest, does anyone know if old Ferdinand built the first Benzin motor before or after the substance was created ? i.e. Did he get the idea of combustion from fuel available at the time or did he actually invent Benzin in order to build the engine ? I think we can safely assume he had already access to iron (invented by someone else) to build the motor. It's really just like computers now. Some bright spark invents valves & solenoids & resistors by planning a radio & someone else uses that radio to eventually design a computer. Just like life, Evolution ! (oh Gawd, I just opened another can of worms. Sorry !

Dave:”An interesting thread & the speculation that goes on about me old cousins(caveMEN no womens lib then) way back then but all things aside I would agree it was probably by accicent the same as glass which was acredited as coming from a lightning strike on sand.”
Hey they were my cousins first. If Amanda hadn’t stolen my erk that time, along with my pet (aka hubby) then I wouldn’t have had her clan kicked out of Africa and then you Aboriginals wouldn’t have even moved to Oz first.

It was some of her descendants that jumped in the boat when the China boys cruised past a few years later on their way to NZ.

But anyway, thank me later.

I reckon whatever Benzine is it came first. It is becoming apparent that humans don’t really have original thoughts but are good at noticing stuff....?

G'Day All,
TPP what do ya mean they're your cousins Tree Swingers came before you white folk I gather you didn't pay much attention of my side on shot in the photo. Shorten the legs a little then compare to Gorillas in the mist you will see my resemblance.
Dianna Fossey was a good friend didn't you see the movie. Silver Backs rule so you whities get your own cusses aye
Jokes aside Gold when I went to school(still have a little recall although its getting harder) Gold was classified a dead element as it reacted with very little else & is one of few if not the only one that is found in its "pure" form (that's why I am said to be gold)
Anyway All have a great day from Dave.

It is a function of human innovation, invention and the search for better ways of doing things.

The ore-to-knife is no different to the silica-to-computer chip.

The pressures for excellence, efficiency and innovation are motivational drivers for those who see their future through improving: the methods of resource use and deployment, the quality of life and reward from what their innovation brings as benefits to others (through the cycle of commerce).

All we need is someone to work on improving the appalling inefficiency of power stations and other (previously state owned) infrastructure, which have such low energy conversion rates. -

Conversions rates which only appear “good” when compared to the efficiency and performance of the public service and other paid lackies of government

Dave you’re afflicted with CC (Colour Confusion)… you’ve just announced yourself black, gold and silver. And I didn’t think you looked like a XXXX can.

I’m guessing you might have a little of that in ya though. [smirk]

And back on topic… Umm.. nup I got nothing.

Let me assist Fractelle
There are literally billions of wild yeasts in the air. These yeast would have made the fermentation of both bread and beer in very early times.
Just leave the ingredients out and then try the result and voila! The early people would have plenty of time to observe and I am sure would not have wasted any foodstuffs but tried to drink/eat bake etc. They were the same as us just with a lot less experience.