There are some in the community..who believe that Pauline Hanson and her One Nation Party was racist..

I am one of those who believe she was..although now she has remerged , is she trying to shed that image and remake it into something a little more politically paleteable or is it just the same old Pauline Hanson?

Is it a case of you can take the girl out of the............etc.?

http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2006/12/133429.php

This link brings us up to date on her return.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_Hanson

A little background on Pauline .

Obviously you are wrong.

The reasons can be found in the One Nation topic on this site.

But I don't expect anyone with such seemingly baseless bias to accept the facts. (I say that because you offer no reasons)

One Nation isn't Hanson or visa versa.

yet they were both vilified unfairly and wrongly.

T800,
You are right, I will outline a bit more asap. I guess what I wanted to know if she was in fact perceived as racist and why and if that is so, if there is a support base that has encouraged her to try her luck again.

As for yourself, why do you believe she wasnt rascist>?

Did you not believe that some of her statements, especially those made under Parliamentary priviledge were not based in reality and she was obviously not armed with facts with some of the assertions she has made of Indigenous PPle and more recently, shes at it again with comments that Africans bring HIV into the country.?

I will post a broader opening statement later on.

everyone has an affinity for their own race. People who say they dont ("we are not racist") are just kidding themselves or deluding themselves.

I'm not taking about withholding service here on the grounds of race. Racial discrimination. I'm just saying that everyone is racist because mankind is tribal by nature and what is a race but a tribe.

I had business dealings with David Ettridge just prior to his joining up with Pauline. He was passionate in his hatred for asians. One can only surmise??

Not really - she was just responding to the claptrap that can be heard everyday via shock jocks on the radio. If you seem to have simple answers to complex situations you will always have an audience.

John Howard took note and does the same thing. Rudd is no better. Teacher bashing is all the rage at thee moment and little man Rudd has joined the fray.

Good points, PF and passenger.

sharkfin: " I'm just saying that everyone is racist because mankind is tribal by nature and what is a race but a tribe. "

Good grief. So there's really no such thing as racism? How can there be under such a formulation?

How preposterously (and conveniently) deluded.

It was in the interests of the Left to portray her as a cultural demon. The more they can demonize her, the better they think they looked.

Bob Brown called her a 'bloodsucking racist' so..I will now use this forum to make my own assessment of Bob Brown

BOB BROWN IS A BLOODSUCKING RACIST AND A SEXUAL DEVIATE !

Note..I have not declared this as 'my opinion' I have stated it with the same force as HE did about her. "She is"...so.."He is".

He claims she makes Australia look like a nation of Racists to Asia.
But HE makes Australia look like a nation of sexual deviates.

They knew she and 1-Nation were a threat to their political agenda, which requires people to be treated differently and unequally, in order for them to exploit the issues for their political agenda.

PF's view may be entirely accurate. It tells us about D.E. and I'm sure that his views would have had sway to a degree in the party.

Anyone who hates people simply because of their race will ultimately be outed for this, and their cause will fade.

Any party or person which has a 'anti' agenda, must have a bigger 'pro' agenda to provide people with something to take to heart.
Being 'Anti' something is not wrong, but it can become unbalanced.

Personally, I have not seen anything in writing of a racist nature in any 1-Nation material I've read, including her maiden speech.
Mild and understandable xenophobia maybe, but not racism.

holyshadow, my impression at the time was that Pauline was culturalist rather than racist.

I would have prefered to see the issues and concerns she raised debated rather than shouted down(or in one case bashed unconscious). Right or wrong they struck a chord with many people and the ganging up on her by the major parties and the media probably just entrenched those views. It reinforced a view of PC as a stifling of free speech rather than a matter of courtesy.

Like BD I've not seen anything in writing that convinced me that race itself was the issue to Pauline rather than a tag for culturalist views. Unlike BD I don't think Bob Brown's sexual preferences are any of our business (unless they are hidden and in conflict with his public stance).

R0bert

C.J. Morgan,

Greetings from the deep.

Racism is as a cough is to the flu. It is only a symptom of the real cause of the hostility which is the deadly tribal territorial instinct of mankind. Racism is like the threatening and intimidating behaviour that an animal displays to drive a rival off
what it sees as its territory.

sharkfin

Might I simplify your comment by stating that people support or oppose things according to whether they perceive a benefit?

As an example, consider a meatworker who is told to accept lower pay and conditions else his job will go to an overseas worker on a 457 visa. Do you think that this person would support immigration? Do you think that the race of the person given his job would be of relevance to him?

Now consider a property developer who has just bulldozed a large area of bushland in the outer suburbs and is looking for buyers. Do you think that this person would support immigration? Do you think that the race of the prospective buyers is of more relevance to the developer than the number of potential buyers?

It is easy to claim that supporters of immigration have a higher morality, but I would hardly think this motivation to be altruism. What higher motivations would you suggest?

Good points Fester...and Sharky

two different but complementary views of the same thing.

Tribalism...Culture-ism... 'us/them-ism' it all boils down to resources and access to them as Chris pointed out in his 'reasons for war' article.

Rob..I just make the point about Brown because he made his attack on Pauline.. good for the goose, good for the gander.

DID anyone hear the interview with IRFY on ABC today ? afternoon... he was having a whinge about the daily telegraph 'opinion' section which has been modelled after OLO. Many 'anti muslim' and outright racist 'opinions' are being printed, which avoids the paper being sued.
Interesting stuff.
have a good rest 2night all.

BD, did Brown comment on Pauline's sex life? If so then your comments might be legit in a tit for tat kind of way.

I'll stick to not liking him for a bunch of other reasons to do with his politics.

R0bert

No Rob..he didn't but calling someone a 'bloodsucking' anything means its open season to me :) He is commenting without being asked on her politics and attitudes to race....I'm commenting without being asked on his sexual orientation.... Its not about tit for tat exactly, its about calling it as you see it, and not responding to a left hook with just a jab, but a damn hard knee to the sternum.

Speaking of which, I'm just about in need of intensive care now, last night at kickboxing, I was partnered up with a 6'5" bloke who weighs only about 95kg, and I'm 5'11.5" and weigh 105kg, I had asked him to partner me in workouts so I get the feel for a much bigger bloke. Problem is, he was not so fleshy and his knee became a very sharp point, and even through a very thick pad thing, I just about felt my ribs collapse each time he kneed me. THUMP...*groan*...THUMP *groan* :)

Have a good day mate.

Firstly, the first link provided by the author states that Pauline was jailed for electoral fraud but makes no mention of her being aquitted by a higher court. I call that bias!

Secondly, Pauline was taken to the anti-discrimination board 2 or 3 times and on each occasion came out clean. Time and the closest scrutiny has failed to produce any evidence of racial comments by her or One Nation.

In relation to her most recent comments about African immmigrants, I submit as follows :-

8-3-6 NSW Legislative Assembly Hansard. The Premisr, Mr Morris said only 37% of the 4000 refugees from Africa underwent screening before arriving in Australia. He went on to say that it puts the whole community at risk from such diseases such as TB, Malaria, Hepatitis, measles, internal parasites and clinical Rickets.

9-3-06 SMH carried this story.

10-3-06 The Age, HIV infected arrivals costing NSW $2 million a year. Many had not been screened and only discovered after entering Australia. State health officials warned of outbreak of disease.

Going on this,I would say Pauline is correct. Bob Brown and others need to do their homework. So much for those that say she does not know what she is talking about.

Forgot to say.
googled AIDS+Africa and found that up to 38% of population is estimated to have HIV/AIDS in some African countries.

Why should we not be concerned.

Pauline Hanson a racist? No, she's much worse, she's a re-emerging politician who has a history of picking on minority groups for political gain.
She is the classic school yard bully, targets those who are weaker than her and then whips up fear and hatred against them while being urged on by her support group.
This panders to her voters, they seem to prefer lashing out at those who are weaker, those they fear or someone to blame rather than taking the fight up to the major parties and putting forward constructive policies.
Adolf Hitler would be proud of her and her tactics, nationalist and flag wrapped, she could easily claim the role of Adolf Hitler's spiritual wife.

Middle... I think you are more likely to the left of Marx there.

Did you see Banjo's well documented post ? Most of what people 'think' about Hanson is based on media and leftist hysteria as you ably demonstrated in your post.

I have no problem with Pauline being criticised..but its nice if it is based on FACT rather than pre-set opinion and hysteria.

Perhaps this is why so many of her /1-nations policies were taken up by the coalition ?

Pointing out health impacts of unscreened 'africans' (the race bit is an important point) is not only accurate but socially responsible.
How can you say this is 'picking on' minority groups ? Do you describe 'All Australians should be treated equally" as 'picking on minorities' ? well.. now that you have said it, I do expect a response please.

BOAZ.....I think you need to take a closer look at what Pauline actually said in her much publicised tilt at running as an independent.
She referred to black South African immigrants.......get it, not immigrants in general or even immigrants from South Africa....as coming into the country with AIDS and not being screened (unlike a lot of white South African immigrants she knows..transcript on ABC radio online.)Great to be socially responsible isn't it? But to point at a minority group (black South African immigrants), say they are being treated better than white South African immigrants, that the black South African immigrants have AIDS, will cost us money and cant work, where do you think this is going? Smacks of apartheid doesn't it?

If you agree that people are to be treated equally, why aren't you having a go at Pauline over her comments? I heard her comments on the radio and read the articles, have you? Have you thought about why issues in NSW that Banjo refers to are used by Pauline in Qld. Could there be any link between the large number of people with very dark skin from other countries who live in the area Pauline works? Or is she just into immigration cause she is so socially responsible.

You said
"Most of what people 'think' about Hanson is based on media and leftist hysteria as you ably demonstrated in your post."
Have you met her and spoken with her a length? Or have you yourself based what you think on media reports or perhaps you have a pre-set opinion and hysteria of your own.
And One Nation policies were taken up by the Coalition as a vote grabbing exercise, existing right wing politicians do this as they have the most to lose in terms of votes, left wing politicians wouldn't lose many votes to Pauline.
She has a pattern of behaviour, including the claim that she's being criticised because she's a woman. She still behaves like a bully, she still talks like a bully......she's still a bully.

I apoligize to the NSW Premier, for not including his full name in a previous post. The sentence should read. The Premier Mr Morris Iemma said that only 37% of the 4000 refugees from Africa had been screened before arriving in Australia. No disrespect intended.

I think we all should be alarmed at what the Premier said 9 months ago. All immigrants/refugees should be screened for diseases before entering Australia. 37% is not good enough, we need 100% whether they are black , white or brindle. or come from Buckingham Palace.

Pauline was being critical of the Government and other Parliamentarians in her comments, and why should she not be. Only those that are properly screened should be allowed to enter. Oh, and negative result.

How negligent of the Government for allowing this situation. Both the minister for Health and minister for Immagration should be sacked forthwith.

And what of the Opposition? Asleep on the job? They must have known and had a golden opportunity to get stuck into the Government, but no. Bob Brown must also have known as some Greens sit in NSW.

How come it is left up to a prospective electoral candidate to make us aware. Pauline is the only one caring enough to bring it to our attention. She should be given a medal, not critized.

In the last 9 months the government has acted. They now say the percentage of screening is now 50%. Absolutly disgraceful! Only those that are screened should be alloweed.

By the way, the actual figure for HIV/AIDS in sub-Sahara Africa is about 25 million people. This is akin to us importing weapons of mass destruction.

Fester,

You highlight the point I'm am trying to make that racism at its core is based on our need for survival and that we are in competition with our fellow humans as well as all the animals on the earth many of whom we have driven to the point of extinction as our push into their territory has left them nowhere to survive.

Yes,people will support immigration when it lines their pockets. But if our fear of non survival ever becomes too desperate at the tribal level then we seldom commit wholesale slaughter against our own tribe as we need a tribe around us to survive. What happens is that war and killing breaks out between differing tribes over resources control.

The reason we are so tolerant of our own tribe, I mean what do we know or care, really? about the bloke down the street. The reason we support our nieghbours and have a strong sense of community is because we need them for our own survival. Its our survival instinct that leads us to support our communities for in so doing we insure our own survival.

I'm sorry I present such a bleak picture of mankind but I believe what I am saying is the way it really is and our best hope for preventing wars and living in peace together is to aknowledge the awful truth and try to put measures and solutions in place to circumvent the bloodshed before it starts. Namby Pamby ideas like love and tolerance just will not work when man decides the survival of his tribe and utimately his family is at stake.

The truth will set you free. Maybe the truth can free us from wars and bring about world peace if only we will try to come at the problems from the perspective of truth about our true natures.

Bl....hell guys.Is any of you from migrant stock? If so (if you are white or whitish) then most likely you are. If you look back ,maybe far enough, to the colonist attitudes your forefathers or fathers had and LEARNED from that experience,maybe ..just maybe you can understand where this feisty lady comes from, the battlerette she is. I personally came to this country to find the Aboriginal people to be respected for what they are and I am afraid that following the Oz history does not show much respect for this ancient people. However,having visited various camps in the north I can honestly say that I feel they are better off following their own beliefs,values,local laws and food gathering skills then it is to adopt the whitemen's modern crap,which by the way is killing them still way to early. (average agewise that is) What I do understand about Hanson is that for the present government to bring in another culture (multiculturism) is another way of saying aboriginals are worth less then the newcomers, so we don't really need to look after them anyhow and to make a little profit we can always flog useless vaccines,old cars and petrol to them. Those people are seen as unprofitable by big corporations and governments.We could learn (heavens forbid)from their earthy experiences for they could look after mother earth as they have done for so long.Give them whitemen's food and they will die out.Let us learn about their food,eat it and we WILL survive. If you happen to be worried about your progeny you have a choice to stay with your own colour.Just because you wish that your daughters and sons come home with your own colour,does not make you a racist, it makes you look after this deepdown self-survival streak we all have in us.It takes guts to speak up and I wish her all the best luck.Goodonye' Pauline!

One would have to be deranged to think no to that question

Racism definitions

• An attitude, action or institutional structure, which subordinates a person or group because of their color. Racism involves having the power to carry out systematic discriminatory practices.
www.gecdf.com/diversity/glossary.html

• An assumption that there is an inherent purity and superiority of certain races and inferiority of others. It denotes any attitude, behavior, or institutional structure that subordinates, persons or groups because of their race or ethnic background. Such practices can be intentional or unintentional.
web.bryant.edu/~fsp/modules/2/diversitygloss.htm

According to McIntosh's article, "White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack", the following is a list of the privileges that she has as a white person:
• 1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.
• 2. I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.
• 3. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.
• 4. I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.
• 5. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.
• 6. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.
• 7. When I am told about our national heritage or about "civilization," I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.
• 8. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race.
• 9. If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.
• 10. I can be pretty sure of having my voice heard in a group in which I am the only member of my race.
http://seamonkey.ed.asu.edu/~mcisaac/emc598ge/Unpacking.html

Dear_MiddleoftheRoad
yes, you may have a point there about Pauline singling out 'Black' Africans. I'm not one to deny_facts.
Lets look just a tad_deeper. Looking at Banjo's well documented post, which includes the Hansard, clearly there are screening problems or issues over African migrant/refugee_arrivals.
What is not determined, is the percentage of HIV prevalent in the Black and White segments of the community. Pauline would have been far better, to refer to some real statistics in direct connection with that remark. This is one of her fatal weaknesses, she speaks without adequate research at times.

So, perhaps her call is based on real information which she did not disclose, thinking that 'its widely known' about the sexual practices of Black Africans compared to those of White. Now.. I cannot give any hard data, only a perception based in broad media coverage, and it seems the Black African segment has more permissive sexual mores than the white. Evidence ? Yep.. polygamy is practiced among many if not most Black Africans, but not in White communities. A polygamous attitude means that the idea of faithfulness to one person, is low on the value scale and would tend to promote outside sexual behavior as well. This would be particularly so if the Africans were Muslims of the Shia variety.
I mention Shia Muslims, because they have a practice called 'Nikah Mutah' which is temporary marraige, that boils down to one or many night stands for an agreed period for pleasure.

In all this I am arguing from silence, (i.e. absense of reported facts directly connected to this particular issue) so my points don't carry much weight in this specific case.

Pauline should take the time to consider what 'sport' the media might make over her less than comprehensive comments, unless of course (as happened in the past) the Media is also 'selectively reporting' in order to create a particular image of her, for political reasons.
(something I've witnessed personally)

RANIER your little effort seems to be the best evidence for intermarraige and One Nation, One Race, One Culture so far :)
Thanx mate.

On a lighter note, I came across a hilarious pic of 'Hansonella' at http://watermelonrant.blogspot.com/2006/12/hanson-bloodsucker-brown.html while looking for Bob Brown's actual comments about Hanson.

A more serious response to Boaz's odiously insulting distortion of Bob Brown's actual words may be found at http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=5153#67016 .

I had a look at that picture...my goodness..its about as nice as a picture of Bob Brown bending over...and... yeah.. I won't go further.

POLITICAL LIARS... welllll...lets see a few of them.

HANSON "We're bringing in people from South Africa at the moment, there's a huge amount coming into Australia, who have diseases, they've got AIDS," Ms Hanson told AAP.

BAIRD Liberal Bruce Baird said Ms Hanson had her facts wrong in suggesting immigrants were bringing disease into the country.
Mr Baird said all immigrants underwent strict health and character checks before being granted visas.

IMMIGRATION SPOKES PERSON
Department of Immigration spokeswoman rejected the claims, saying stringent health checks were carried out on all permanent and temporary residents.

HANSARD
8-3-6 NSW Legislative Assembly Hansard. The Premier, Mr Morris Iemma said only 37% of the 4000 refugees from Africa underwent screening before arriving in Australia. He went on to say that it puts the whole community at risk from such diseases such as TB, Malaria, Hepatitis, measles, internal parasites and clinical Rickets

THE TRUTH... They are ALL right, but all sides are not coming totally clean. Hanson is closest to the truth.
BAIRD neglected to say that many spend A YEAR after their first check in camps in AFRICA... gee.. now that couldn't make any difference to their health..COULD IT ?

http://www.zipworld.com.au/~triumph/iemma.htm

So, all those 'She is just a racist' mob.. and 'she is a bloodsucker' causing division, can eat humble pie on these words if they have the honesty to do so.

People resorting to the 'RACIST' card will be getting back in kind the same accusation, and no amount of attempted character assassination will stop it.

Yes Boaz, but I bet you're children don't understand why you consider them not to be just like you.

Dear BOAZ, it's interesting that you now acknowledge that Pauline speaks without adequate research at times.
How come you still make apologies for her when you say she is a liar. Please explain!

Also you say "Pauline should take the time to consider what 'sport' the media might make over her less than comprehensive comments, unless of course (as happened in the past) the Media is also 'selectively reporting' in order to create a particular image of her, for political reasons.
(something I've witnessed personally)"

This selective reporting is normal in the media, if Pauline isn't aware of it by now she is very,very stupid. I think she is aware of it and is using the media by making contraversial comments without bothering to research the facts. This is her pattern of manipulating the media, she knows what they will report and she gives them what they want.
Glad to hear you are starting to acknowledge what she is