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Research the religious practises of the Germanic tribes of 1400 years ago and the writings of Saint Boniface and his life among these tribes 600 AD.
Posted by Philo, Monday, 17 August 2009 3:56:49 PM
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Belly writes

'I just must remark on OUG and runner.
Those who try to convince us to purchase an Item
spend a lot of money and time looking for the right salesman.
As ambassadors these two do not sell me anything.'

Sounds very much to me that you would rather and 'angel of light' than the truth told as it is. One makes you feel comfortable in sin while the truth offers mercy and forgiveness.

Salvation certainly is not something you or any other person on earth have enough money for. The price has already been paid though it takes humility to accept that.
Posted by runner, Monday, 17 August 2009 4:36:17 PM
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Is this supposed to be the reference for the great Christmas pudding furphy, Philo?

>>Research the religious practises of the Germanic tribes of 1400 years ago and the writings of Saint Boniface and his life among these tribes 600 AD<<

It is polite to offer a proper source when trying to support your story, Philo.

Issuing an instruction that someone else goes on this particular wild goose chase doesn't cut it, and would be mildly offensive if it weren't so obvious that you have no evidence to offer.

C'mon, admit it.

You found a vague unsupported reference someplace, and thought you'd pass it off as fact, didn't you?

No shame, we've all tried it on at sometime. But big people confess when they're called on it.

Take your courage in both hands and say after me...

"It was a good story. But it is most likely apocryphal".

For your information - and to save Banjo having to scurry off to the library - human sacrifices in the Germanic tribes was almost invariably the ritual murder of the "first fruits of war", along the lines of when Goths were sacrificed by King Theudebert in 539.

No record exists of children being sacrificed at the winter solstice, let alone the practice of feeding them crunchy puddings.

I know it makes you feel all gooey and virtuous when you hear these things about those horrid pagans who had to be "converted" from their wicked ways.

But it helps if you stay within the bounds of reality.
Posted by Pericles, Monday, 17 August 2009 5:01:56 PM
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My mum used to do the thrupny bit thing in the xmas pud when I was a littlun. The dirty business of getting them back for her put me off pudding for life.
Strangely, other members of the family weren't that fussed on using the same thrupences year after year, either.
I seem to remember human sacrifice was mentioned, once or twice.
Posted by Grim, Monday, 17 August 2009 6:02:35 PM
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Dear yabby,
Have you any idea what it means to be made in Gods image or is your lack of knowledge showing.
Posted by Richie 10, Monday, 17 August 2009 6:33:22 PM
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Richard, Christian Diet and the Third Crausade:

“This lighthearted Christian attitude to anthropophagy reappears in the late thirteenth or early fourteenth century… in which crusade cannibalism is attributed to the king himself. In the Holy Land … inspired by the Blessed Virgin, remembers both the ample supply of Saracen prisoners of war, and the possibilities of spice and a little culinary skill… Believing he has consumed the pork necessary for his recovery, the king recuperates rapidly, until he is well enough to demand the head of the pig. When he is shown the head of a Saracen, instead of expressing the horror and disgust one might expect,Richard is delighted at the fact that Saracens are so tasty, and at the fact that this discovery means the defeat of famine in the Christian camp. In fact, Richard finds a further way to capitalize on his innovation. Shortly thereafter, he invites representatives of the Saracens to a feast, ostensibly to broker a peace agreement, but before they arrive, he has the most noble of his prisoners-of-war killed…”

“Faced with the English king carving the head before him and eating heartily, in addition to the carefully labeled grinning horrors on their own plates, the Saracen ambassadors flee, and Richard warns their retreating backs that, compared to Saracen meat "ther is no fflesch so norysschaunt/Vnto an Ynglyssche Cristen-man" and that the English will leave only when the Saracens ‘be eaten euerylkon")."

"The Saracens immediately return to their Sultan, and the story is reiterated once more in the form of their outraged narrative, which includes their description of Richard, truly lionhearted, tearing into the human head before him: ‘With teeth he grond the flessch ful harde,/As a wood lyoun he ffarde,/With hys eyen stepe and grym…’ " –

-Source: Price: Consuming Passions: The Uses of Cannibalism in Late Medieval and Early Modern Europe.

Philo,

Thank you the explanation. From what I have read, Christians were not cannibals during the period of six hundred years after Christ. There were however instances of early Christians dismembering and collecting parts of Martyrs in the Roman era (Fox).
Posted by Oliver, Monday, 17 August 2009 7:41:07 PM
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