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The Creative Use of Current Events in radical Activism-Pauline.. is she back ?
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Posted by BOAZ_David, Friday, 8 December 2006 3:30:43 AM
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Sorry Boaz, but it's me again. For some reason you seem to pull my chain harder than any other on this forum.
>>"Stand on the steps of Flinders street station... holding up a sign "ONE NATION, ONE CULTURE, ONE RACE full stop" (which of course, advocated a breaking down of racial barriers and intermarraige rather than 'white supremacy')<< How on earth can you imagine that your 2006 version of "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer" can be construed as indicating a wish to break down racial barriers? It states precisely the opposite. That this NATION should consist of one RACE and observe one CULTURE. What other translation could there possibly be? I guarantee you one thing. If you were to take your stand on the steps of Flinders Street Station with such a banner, not a single one of the people who comes up to you and shakes your hand will be advocating the breaking down of racial barriers or intermarriage. Every one will be demonstrating their commitment to entirely the opposite activity: to get rid of every one in the country who does not conform to their norm. Much like your own stance, in fact. The protest "I'm not a racist, but..." is by now a cliche. The slogan "conform or go home" that sounds so sensible in the corner of the public bar simply hides a fear of anyone who is different. Sadly, fear has always been a great motivator by an orator of the rabble, and this is exactly what we have here. Pauline has spotted the opportunity to fan the flames of fear, and predictably pops up to push the barrow of hate and suspicion. Utterly predictable. Posted by Pericles, Friday, 8 December 2006 4:10:06 PM
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Thanx Pericles, your views are always taken into consideration.
Just one point mate. You seem to have missed the symbolic aspect of having very NOTICABLE Maori helpers holding the banner. I've actually extended this a bit further in my thinking, to include a range of races, including a black Sudanese, a Chinese/Asian and a Greek and Italian. We would all stand together and hand out explanitory pamphlets which provide a web site or email address for people to ask further questions. These days Pericles, the key is GET THEIR ATTENTION and stand out somehow in an ideologically competitive environment. Sure.. some reactionary people would just jump to the nearest conclusion and run with that.. bit its ok. Keep up with the helpful advice and I'll keep on thinking about it. cheers Posted by BOAZ_David, Friday, 8 December 2006 8:07:15 PM
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While I'm not a particular fan of Pauline, I hope she does come back, with others, to inject some interest into Australian politics. The sameness of Labor and the Coaltion and their refusal to listen to citizens has returned since her departure last time.
And, of course, the left needs somebody to hate. While I quite like Asians - they at least share a region with us - I totally agree with her on Muslims - mainly Arabs - and Africans. I don't think for one minute that the Africans coming here have AIDS, of course. Pauline still needs to think about her intemperate speech. I don't think Africans are suitable migrants for Australia, end of story. Yes. I hope Pauline does return. I also hope that the Australia First Party starts running candidates in state and federal elections. We need options in Australia like never before. Posted by Leigh, Saturday, 9 December 2006 9:18:52 AM
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Leigh..I'm going to try to contact her and act as her 'advisor' :)
I suggest that when she is asked specific questions like "Would you deny Muslims access to Australia" ? her ONLY and REPEATED response should be: "Immigration should be based on Environmental and population sustainablity along with the framework of: Cultural compatability Social Cohesian Political Stability" If she answer JUST like that each and every time some mongrel lefty journo gets in her face, she might do a lot better :) Posted by BOAZ_David, Saturday, 9 December 2006 10:39:26 AM
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David,
I hope that you do that. Your contentions are always logical and unassailable to all but the left wing idealogues. Ms. Hanson's detractors, always keen to protect all sorts of losers and bumblers in society (as long as they agree with the left), make much of her lack of formal education and her trouble with expressing herself, the cowardly elitists. Putting people down by dragging up things that have nothing to do with person's real worth seems to be the main weapon of the left media. Cheers, Posted by Leigh, Sunday, 10 December 2006 10:09:34 AM
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Thanx Leigh..hope you survive the heat.. man its sweltering here in Melb today..smokey also....
I lined up a Palestinian Arab at Church this morning to participate in 'the action' :) He's a Christian, now I just need a Christian Jew to put the icing on the cake... I'll put them next to each other in the lineup.... should have a lot of symbolic value. I had 2 volunteers from Church for this today.. "I'll be in that" they said. I might get 3 or 4 kickboxers to act as security :) just to fend of the moronic element of the Left, who might decide to 'attack'. aah..its great to be ALIVE :) Posted by BOAZ_David, Sunday, 10 December 2006 3:07:59 PM
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Right off the subject, I noticed an item on Fox News today that the Arabs have decided that Australia should be kicked out of the Asian soccer whatever (I'm not the sporting type) becuause they are making it too hard for small countries like New Zealand!
I know nothing about soccer, and I don't see why Arabs would start dictating what should happen in Asia. Perhaps you could dig up a soccer playing Arab with alll the answers. Posted by Leigh, Sunday, 10 December 2006 3:18:13 PM
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Leigh...I'm stunned.. I have not the slightest clue why they would do that mate.....
I'm not a follower of soccer or rugby or aussie rules.. mainly because its allll been commercialized for so long. Here is my current hero... a very nice guy with a good strategic approach to combat. MASATO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQa7vLvA8FI The other bloke is a boxer... masato just works away at him.. see the result. I can do those kicks, but it hurts like HELL x 100 if the other bloke does an effective knee check (Lifting the knee) But boxers are not trained to do it, so the kickboxer is at an advantage. The thigh attack is a cumulative thing, as you will observe. OK.. this is a completely off topic post also :) but hey..its my thread so its oooo..k. Posted by BOAZ_David, Sunday, 10 December 2006 9:29:18 PM
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WOBBLES please read my response here.....
You seem to be doing what I actually expect onlookers to do, “take offense” or.. putting it another way. “Definitely NOT be neutral”. This little effort in free speech will bring out 3 kinds of people. 1/ The white supremacists who perceive my intention as ‘ethnic/cultural cleansing’ and agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment. 2/ Those who consider themselves liberal, tolerant and non racist, who abhor such ‘exclusivist’ thoughts 3/ The moronic Left element who just want to ‘smash faces’ ...notably....mine :) But I doubt anyone will remain ‘neutral’. Now.. I’ll have a handout which explains “Things are not always what they seem”. My goal is NOT to ‘culturally or ethnically cleanse’ Australia other than by osmosis and unforced interaction. Twofold Objectives. 1/ Nationalistic. To encourage people to regard their ethnicity,culture and race as secondary, (including_whites) and their nationality (Australian) as primary. In so doing, barriers to intermarriage and social contact should be reduced, and a more blended and homogenous society should result with a consequent reduction in racism, ethnic and cultural division. This is not suggestive of everyone becoming ‘white’, it is suggestive of people being enriched by all cultural tributaries to Australian national identity. 2./ Spiritual. The point about Galatians 3.28 is this, “IN CHRIST” there is neither Jew nor Greek or Arab or Italian or Islander or ‘white’ etc.. but by the renewal of people in that faith experience, such things as racial and cultural intolerance are removed and are replaced by the concept of one body, many parts. In neither case, can their be any sense of ‘you must’. On the nationalistic level Legislation can be a framework to encourage and facilitate, but it can never ‘force’. On the Spiritual level, legislation cannot specifically ‘promote’ this, but it CAN guarantee free speech and protect against inroads of such things as Sharia by stealth, which would inhibit free speech. People are free to accept or reject the Word of Christ as they so choose. Posted by BOAZ_David, Monday, 11 December 2006 5:37:56 AM
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Boaz, I think you've finally come up with an idea that might actually be useful. I encourage you to become involved prominently in Pauline's latest effort to fleece hundreds of thousands of dollars from the AEC (and, hence, all of us taxpayers) by running yet another idiotic Senate campaign. I understand it was a nice little earner last time, to the tune of about $400,000.
In fact, I think that you's be doing all of us a favour if you go ahead with your little tableau, except I'd suggest it would be even more effective if you'd add in bold letters to your sign something to the effect of "PAULINE HANSON FOR THE SENATE". I'm quite sure that if you did so that observers would be in no doubt whatsoever as to where you're coming from. P.S. What's a "Christian Jew"? Posted by CJ Morgan, Monday, 11 December 2006 7:37:16 AM
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Hi C.J. in good form as ever :) hope ur day is going well.
a Christian Jew is a person of Jewish heritage who has given their life to Christ. Regarding Pauline for senate ? well.. thats her affair. If my banner adds to that, it won't be deliberate and I highly doubt it would change any negative opinions of her personally. Besides this is Victoria and she is in QLD. Nobody here can vote for her. You know where I'm coming from, but I think ur in denial because you would rather believe I have racial attitudes which suit your MC agenda ? I lined up an Arab Christian yesterday to help in that demo. He is from Ramalah and is a descendant of the original Christian Arabs from the time of Christ who was not prepared to convert to Islam. I might put him next to the Christian Jew for symbolic effect. Showing how in Christ even such barriers as we read about daily in the Middle East are non existent. Do you sincerely believe Hanson is in it for the money after all she has been through ? Posted by BOAZ_David, Monday, 11 December 2006 11:03:09 AM
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Boazy
I do note that Ms Hanson has a book release very soon, could it be a publicist ploy to get media attention? Surely not, but cynical old me thinks it could be :) Posted by Steve Madden, Monday, 11 December 2006 11:35:41 AM
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Unlike many who inhabit Australian politics, Pauline did earn her living before she entered as a candidate.A dinkum working lady!
Google the headlines of today's "West Australian", black Africans bringing Aids, TB and other assorted diseases into Australia.Written in black and white. Stuff happens. Posted by mickijo, Monday, 11 December 2006 2:14:40 PM
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I think Hanson is definitely in it for the money, as well as some public acclaim.
I believe she gets about $2.10 per vote if she makes the minimum quota of votes, regardless of whether she actually gets a Senate seat. She was at best, just a media creation to create controversy and sell newspapers. They fed off her on her way up, then again on her way down. They later made money denouncing her as a criminal and them made more saying how she had been victimised by the system. Meanwhile David Oldfield was using her to get himself into NSW government and we were all entertained by all the videos of the violent demonstrations. Technically, this makes her a stooge. I can get better and more intelligent opinions from just about anybody down at the local Bowling Club on a Friday night. Put them in front of a camera with some serious political and media advisers and there you go. Most of her fans were taken from Labour and then swallowed up by Howard after Tampa and may now be feeling restless, but you can't seriously believe that she has the solution to anything, let alone growing social problems. Some of us may remember an article from her estranged husband that mentioned her real-life ("black bastards") racist tendencies and how the publishers were slapped with a D-Notice. I also remember her mother talking on TV about "the yellow peril" so you can see where her personal motivations may come from. This time though, it's got to be about the money. Posted by rache, Monday, 11 December 2006 7:28:10 PM
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Rache... while I disagree about her being in it for the money, I do take your point about bowling club opinions. Her biggest enemy was her striking looks + lousy articulation, along with the Media as you rightly point out who made money off her on the way up..and on the way down.
The trick is (and that is the point of my thread) to capitalize on the MEDIA by outsmarting them, and using them to ones own advantage. Knowing how to answer any reporter.. to avoid the pitfalls of Paulines experience is part of the key. Increasingly, the mainstream media will be irrelevant as other avenues open up..like Youtube, Metacafe and a host of others. We ourselves will be the makers of the news. Mirc is a great way to network with people around the world. OLO could begin making pictorial reports about current events, in addition to the standard 'article' approach now used. Web sites can adopt similar approaches.. Its exciting :) My thread here is to show how those of us who have sat around for so long 'watching' others make the news, and steal the show, can now BE the show, and make a difference ourselves. To me, the important thing is change in policy, not whether I personally obtain any position of political importance. I like relaxing too much for that :) Posted by BOAZ_David, Monday, 11 December 2006 9:33:24 PM
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Micki....
I googled the West Australian, but I can only find quotes of Pauline there such as: "What people are getting all upset about is the fact that you can't sing Christmas carols in schools because it upsets a certain amount of people," she said. "You can't actually swim in baths because a certain amount of people want their privacy to swim in those baths. CAROLS. The banning of these, (where it happens) is usually becuase of some idiotic politically correct teacher, rather than any Muslim agitation. SWIMMING POOLS unless someone can show me otherwise (with well documented evidence) most supposed 'banning of non muslims' is not quite so, the truth usually is that Muslim groups hire the pool on days when it is not open or..at hours after it is normally closed. I checked this out regarding Shepharton. So..if anyone has hard evidence, I'm all ears. The Box Hill pool was closed to the public one night a fortnight or week for nude bathing. STOP drooling u blokes :) Posted by BOAZ_David, Monday, 11 December 2006 9:48:08 PM
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Boaz: "a Christian Jew is a person of Jewish heritage who has given their life to Christ".
Thanks for the clarification. Do you have Christian Buddhists, Christian Hindus, Christian Scientologists or Christian Atheists as well, or is it a qualification reserved for former Jews? I'm interested that on your own knowledge you are aware that Hanson is peddling lies and distortions in her most recent pronouncements, yet you apparently support her. What was that thing again about "bearing false witness" - or is it okay if someone else does it on your behalf? Rabble-rousing claptrap is legitimate as long as it's directed at Muslims? Does your end justify your means? Posted by CJ Morgan, Monday, 11 December 2006 10:04:52 PM
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Boaz,
Thanks for the invite. I honestly didn't find anything wrong with Paulene Hanson comments and stance at the time although I was a new migrant to Australia in 1996. She probably could have 'worded' her concerns better, but there is nothing wrong in asking questions in how aligned the immigration policy with the culture we want. Good point though, Peace, T Posted by Fellow_Human, Tuesday, 12 December 2006 2:09:46 PM
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Your welcome F.H.
C.J. I say Christian 'JEW' because I don't know how else to describe them. They are not Israelis in the nationality sense, perhaps I should just say "Christian from Jewish background" would that avoid the confusion? I don't see that I'm doing Pauline's work for her, unless she has caught up with me and is doing my work :) She has difficulty in articulating her intentions without them coming out as rather controversial, or easily subject to misquote. The work I want to do is destroy to the last molecule any vestige of 'MULTI' culturalism in Australia. I see it as racist cultural aparthied and intend to make that view known as widely and loudly as the law will allow. If I didn't have urgent work today I'd be tempted to go down to my favorite haunts or either RMIT in Swanston street or Flinders street station or Federation Square with a sign as follows: "MultiCulturalism=Racist Cultural Aparthied" and have a little handout which leads people to this forum and my email for follow up discussion. Your welcome to join me with a contrary sign :) But...as I said.. got work.. must pay bills.. dammit. cheers. Posted by BOAZ_David, Wednesday, 13 December 2006 7:04:19 AM
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How could this be used creatively to make an alternative point ?
If the reported statements of Hanson are true ("Africans are bringing Aids and disease here, Muslims are dangerous") and its a big 'IF' then clearly she represents ideas and attitudes which might be described as socially questionable.
Then, we have the 2 Muslim boys who desecrated the Bible.(and who were subsequently expelled). This event also creates a 'mood' which maybe ripe for political/social harvest. The Daily terrorgraph story rated 156 comments at this time, and a story about teen supergroup Hi5 rated 8 comments.
I was thinking of using that current mood as follows:
Stand on the steps of Flinders street station, dressed in black, with combat boots on, (the stereotype'white supremacist' look) holding up a sign along the lines of the opinion piece I wrote "ONE NATION, ONE CULTURE, ONE RACE full stop" (which of course, advocated a breaking down of racial barriers and intermarraige rather than 'white supremacy') This alone should receive considerable attention.
But imagine the confusion, when passers by noticed that my 2 bodyguards/assistants are two of the biggest Maoris you have ever seen ! (both around 6'5") Then, when we give out copies of that opinion piece, and include an email address for follow up...
On the back of the opinion piece, I would add the following:
Galatian 3:26
You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Should be interesting....if I ever do it.