Fractelle and Foxy,
The punishment for fraudulantly obtaining citizenship is clear. Cancelation of citizenship. I suppose the Govt could charge the person with fraud as well, if it so desired, but I think the cancelation of citizenship would surfice, especially if he could not re-apply. The person then would revert to the previous status of 'permanent resident'

I am well aware of the steps and stages taken to obtain citizenship.

What you both do not appear to understand is that a person obtaining citizenship has to fill out and sign an application form and swear an oath, in public, on the day of receiving the citizenship. It is not something to be taken lightly. It is a big occasion for all concerned.

I am not suggesting that the immigrant citizen be treated differently to any other person that has committed fraud. The benefits obtained by deception should be canceled. In this case it is the benefit of citizenship that was obtained by deception.

If a person who has been granted citizenship publicly voices contempt for our country or society, he is in fact disclosing that he obtained his citizenship by fraud. If he was honest he would not have gone through the process and made a sworn oath.

Please do not come back and say the 'poor' bloke did not understand or made a mistake. He has to be living here at least 4 years. It wont wash either to say he suddenly woke one morning and realized his contempt for Australia. He still wants that passport and our protection. There is no excuse, he has been deceiving us!

Foxy says:
He was “deported because of some burglaries”

Wikipedia says:
“By 2004 his criminal record numbered some 158 criminal convictions”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Jovicic

Cheers!
Catch you again next time.

The report that he is medicated with warfarin, came from his son who visited him in prison. John Wilson is about 68 years old, and probably had high blood pressure from the stress of arrest and detention. They say the Police were none too gentle.

Warfarin can have serious side effects, as this report states: If left untreated, this can lead to severe tissue damage (gangrene). Seek immediate medical attention if any of these unlikely but serious side effects occur: painful red rash, dark discoloration of any body part (e.g., purple toe syndrome), sudden intense pain (e.g., back or muscle pain), foot ulcers, unusual change in the amount of urine, vision changes, confusion, slurred speech, one-sided weakness.

There is a tendency in some who post here to shoot the messenger. My message to them is stop it. The report on John Wilson was that his speech was slurred, and he was confused. I have not been to see him personally, and he has not indicated a willingness through his son to have a solicitor visit him, with a view to having his incarceration judicially reviewed. The report said he was being medicated on warfarin.

John has been trying for some sixteen years to have the legal profession recognize that to sit without a jury is a criminal offence. Judges and Magistrates are members of the legal profession. The legal profession cannot maintain control over you and me, unless they maintain the secular merger of Church and State accomplished by the abolition of jury trials. John Wilson and John Bauskis, were in conflict with Justice Michael Adams, after Adams sent Bauskis to jail for two weeks, for wearing a T shirt with “JURY TRIAL IS DEMOCRACY on while sitting in the audience at a proceedings in the Supreme Court.

There are people prepared to pay for the required legal services. I would think that the refusal to allow a lawyer to represent him, is probably a sign that he is suffering side effects from warfarin. There are some good lawyers, but there are also some very evil ones.

Dear Horus,

Robert Jovicic committed crimes because he had
a drug problem - he was a heroin addict.
The amount of burglaries he committed does not
change that fact.

May I humbly suggest that you check out the
following websites:

http://www.minister.immi.gov.au/media/media-releases/2008/ce08018.htm

and

http://www.abc.net.au/news/photos/2008/02/23/2170559.htm

They're slightly more accurate then Wikipedia.

As I've stated previously - here again is -
the following information:

Robert Jovicic was removed
from Australia to Serbia in June 2004 AFTER
serving a prison term for burglary and theft charges.
He'd paid his dues to society.

Mr Jovicic first arrived in Australia with his
parents in 1968 at the age of two, had only visited
Serbia once and did not speak the language. He was allowed
to return to Australia in March 2006 after he became
destitute and began sleeping on the steps of the
Australian Embassy in Belgrade. John Howard wanted the
man to become a Serbian citizen...

As Senator Chris Evans, Minister
for Immigration and Citizenship said,

"The case of Robert Jovicic is one of the many
regrettable immigration matters left unresolved
by the Howard Government... I have made it a
priority to act on those cases and return integrity to
Australia's immigration system..."

"The Howard/Costello Government politicised Australia's
immigration system to serve the interests of the
Liberal Party, not the interests of Australia."

"...the Rudd Government has also moved quickly to honour
its election commitment to end the former Government's
failed Pacific Solution - a policy that cost taxpayers
$300 million and ultimately saw the majority of refugees
who were held offshore end up in Australia."

You and Banjo - are entitled to your opinions on this
topic. I simply happen to totally disagree with you
both.

Enough said.

Thank you Foxy.

Banjo & Horus

What Foxy said.

There is no point in repeating ourselves over and over. An Australian Citizen has equal rights, obligations and responsibilities to all other Australian Citizens.

End of Story.

No No No Australians do not have equal rights before the law. If you are a criminal and a serious criminal at that, as they have progressively lifted the bar on who must be given a jury trial since 1900. In 1900 it was 3 months imprisonment, but now its up to five years a Judge can give you without a jury trial.

If you don’t rock the boat like John Wilson is, in simply wanting variable interest rates tried in a jury trial, you are mostly ok, but you can still lose your driving licence by State Law, and become a second class citizen in your own country. Complain and State Police Thugs will beat you up, imprison you, and medicate you.

States should be abolished, and stripped of their usurped Judicial Power. There should only be one judicial power of the Commonwealth available to everyone equally, not reserved for Police Officers and the Director of Public Prosecutions. Criminal lawyers should be hunted down, prosecuted and stripped of their exclusive brethren status, even when they have been made into Judges and Magistrates.

The International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights is law, but criminal lawyers would lose their clout if it was enforced, by a few well placed prosecutions by the Australian Federal Police. We live under gangster rule, and while most of us are alright, there are still many whose lives are a misery, like the sex slaves who work in Sydney brothels, to this day. There are 100,000 homeless at least and probably another 65,000 at risk. These would all be fixed and settled, if we had the legal system we had when Bob Hawke complained we had 100,000 unemployed in 1970