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Citizenship Revoked?

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On what grounds should a granted citizenship be revoked and has this ever been done?

I understand the Minister has the power to take this action.

This last week it was reported in the media that some persons, reported to be australian citizens, refused to stand in court in respect of our laws and legal system. Should this not be seen as contempt for our society and therefore granted citizenship be withdrawn.

It seems to me that such a person lied when taking his oath of citizenship and was fraudulent in the application. Why should he continue to be able to vote, hold an australian passport and sit in judgement on other citizens?

Interested in your thoughts.
Posted by Banjo, Sunday, 9 August 2009 10:55:50 AM
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There is a man languishing in Parramatta Jail, today, Sunday the ninth of August 2009, because the State of New South Wales has revoked his Australian Citizenship, and is enforcing New South Wales citizenship against him. His name is John Wilson, and he is being medicated with warfarin, to keep him quiet. He is arbitrarily detained under the Mental Health Act, and Act copied from the former Soviet Union to restrain dissidents.

John Wilson’s crime is wanting to get a jury trial. That is all he wants, nothing more and nothing less, and he is prepared to die if necessary to do his bit to expose the corruption that is the New South Wales Judiciary. He was prepared to die for this country on another occasion. He wore the famous slouch hat and khaki uniform of a Digger.

The blokes who show utter contempt for the judiciary in Australia, are completely within their rights, as Muslims, they are refusing to bow before a quasi god, appointed by a man made government, who does not any longer worship the Christian God, we used to believe in, as a Nation. They will get their chance to call upon Jesus Christ, in due course. Kevin Rudd promised them that. If a Muslim comes to Australia and commits a crime, he must submit to Christian justice. A single magistrate is not a Christian Justice, but when a Justice sits on the bench in a court, and has a jury of twelve disciples on his right hand, he is following the Rules of Justice from the Holy Bible and specifically from the New Testament. Jesus Christ taught the separation of powers adopted by the United States. The Bush quasi Christians, refused Christian justice to the Guantanimo Bay detainees, and may have been within their rights.

The Power of Almighty God used to take away the right to be a subject of Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by executing those deemed unworthy. It was originally only on the verdict of a jury, and Judges who inflicted it were hated. They deserve jail, John Wilson doesn’t
Posted by Peter the Believer, Sunday, 9 August 2009 1:47:17 PM
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In another discussion I am advocating the introduction of Court Attendance Notices, to be issued by the Australian Federal Police. There used to be an absolute right in Australia to a Habeas Corpus Writ before the New South Wales Government unilaterally declared its independence, and abolished civil juries to appease the godfather of organized crime in Sydney.

Since 1970, there is no Writ of Habeas Corpus in New South Wales. There is an order of similar kind available, but since John Wilson has upset the New South Wales Judiciary, on numerous occasions they will probably refuse to give him a writ anyway. However a subject used to be able to keep applying to a different justice, over and over again until he found a Christian but no longer. You only get one suck these days.

The Federal Court of Australia has the power to issue Writs, granted by s 23 Federal Court of Australia Act 1976 and that power should also be extended to the issue of a Writ of Habeas Corpus. The High Court still has rules allowing a person to apply there, but John Wilson has no money, as he is now a pensioner, since the State Government destroyed his dental surgery, and the Sheriff smashed all his equipment. Centrelink has suspended his pension while he is in New South Wales Custody, and suspended his Australian citizenship, on an arbitrary order of a New South Wales Magistrate.

If a person could wander into any office of the Australian Federal Police and issue a Court Attendance Notice the Writ would be unnecessary. It would be possible to allege that the Keeper of Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second Prison at Parramatta, is offending against S 268:10 Criminal Code Act 1995 ( Cth) and holding John Wilson as a slave, and exercising the powers of a slave keeper over him. This crime carries a penalty of 25 years imprisonment or a fine of $165,000 so it should be obeyed. Otherwise it could be alleged the Warden is offending S 268:12 Criminal Code Act 1995 ( Cth), and that fine is $122,000
Posted by Peter the Believer, Sunday, 9 August 2009 2:06:43 PM
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Does anyone here in this Forum know Kevin Rudd well. John Wilson, the man in Parramatta Jail, is his opportunity to make himself unpopular with the New South Wales Judiciary, but immensely popular with the great majority of Australians. Suggest to him that he picks up the phone to Brendan O’Connor, the Minister of Home Affairs responsible for the Australian Federal Police, and get an Officer of the Commonwealth, to go out to Parramatta Jail, and interview the Warden.

The Officer should take a copy of the Criminal Code Act 1995 ( Cth), and show it to the Warden, together with a copy of the Australian Constitution, so the fellow understands that the Constitution is binding on the courts judges and people of every State notwithstanding anything in the laws of any State.

The Australian Federal Police Officer should open the Criminal Code Act 1995 ( Cth) Reprint 3, at Page 207, Crime against Humanity—imprisonment or other severe deprivation of physical liberty, and give that worthy a chance to take John Wilson to the gates, and let him go. If he refuses he should immediately arrest the Warden, and use whatever force is necessary to take him before the Magistrate to be committed to trial. If John Wilson is released, the Australian Federal Police Officer should ascertain from him the name of the man or woman who issued the warrant for his detention.

He should then immediately issue a Court Attendance Notice on that person, and have him attend a committal hearing before a Magistrate with a view to having him tried for breaking the Statutory Commands of the Parliament of the Commonwealth. Two birds will be killed with that one stone. The International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights will be recognized as a Law of the Commonwealth, and a State Public Servant will become an Australian citizen.

Kevin Rudd has a golden opportunity to deliver on his promise made at the Australian Christian Heritage Forum, in Canberra on the 7th August 2006, to govern Australia under the Constitution. Kevin should ask himself, WWJD, and grant John’s prayer
Posted by Peter the Believer, Sunday, 9 August 2009 2:29:11 PM
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By the power of the Australian Constitution and nothing else, John Wilson should be immediately released. He represents the whole of Australia in that all he wants is a fair go under the law. He has a right to call upon the Commonwealth to come to his aid. In 1988, the Parliament of the Commonwealth enacted the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. It is to be found, in S 268:12 Criminal Code Act 1995 ( Cth) where it is referred to as the Covenant. It is cited in S 138 (3) (f) Evidence Act 1995, (Cth) and the Parliament of the Commonwealth has directed anyone who can read, that it may be found in the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission Act 1986 .

It is the basis of a crime attracting seventeen years imprisonment or a fine of $122,000. Every Judge and Magistrate in Australia who issues a warrant without complying with its provisions, is a criminal. Articles 9,14 and 15 of the Covenant read as follows: Article 9: Everyone has the right to liberty and security of the person. No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest or detention. John Wilson has suffered that, along with hundreds of other aged pensioners at the hand of New South Wales Public Officials. So too has Marcus Einfeld after being sent to jail, by a fellow Judge, and not offered a fine.

Article 14 says all persons shall be equal before the courts and tribunals, in the determination of any criminal charge against him, or of his rights in a suit at law, everyone shall be entitled to a fair and public hearing, by a competent, independent and impartial tribunal established by law.

As a trained lawyer, Brendan O’Connor is in a position to tell Kevin Rudd that a lawyer cannot change the law without a case. John Wilson’s is the case that will define the Rudd Government. It will test the way that the Parliament of the Commonwealth views itself, because if it is sincere, we can trust the Federal Labor Party to deliver what it promises
Posted by Peter the Believer, Sunday, 9 August 2009 3:28:42 PM
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Banjo, I imagine that these alleged terrorists who refused to stand in court are not the first to do so, no matter what their religion or cultural background.
I believe that anyone refusing to stand in court should be held in contempt of court, but I think it is up to the Magistrate whether they go this way or not?
Peter the Believer, you say this man John Wilson '...is being medicated with warfarin to keep him quiet.' Warfarin is a blood-thinning medication used to treat people with suspected deep-vein clots, as well as other medical disorders. In no way will it keep him quiet at all!
As far as I know, our courts are not known as christian courts are they? We follow the English method of court systems and the laws set down by our Australian Parliament.
Anyone who breaks our laws will be dealt with equally by the courts, regardless of their religion. I assume when people emmigrate to our country, they are made aware of our laws and must agree to abide by them if they wish to stay here.
Posted by Moondoggy, Sunday, 9 August 2009 4:23:34 PM
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