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Animal welfare V Food production. Where do we draw the line!

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I ain't related to no pig.
Animal rights and greens should be taken as over the top type of people. They wouldn't really know. Someone witnesses something and they tell someone else and before long the whole concept has changed.
The move is now to breed pigs with no legs, housing would be far more space effective and moving the rotund animal would be all mechanized.
Posted by Desmond, Friday, 31 July 2009 11:09:44 AM
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Sure Rehctub would be against live exports, for butchers act out
of self interest and want their livestock cheaper, so competition
is not welcome.
Well at least we are getting somewhere yabby, you do recognise that LE costs jobs.

does Rehctub drive
an Australian made car? 80% of the population don't.

No, I drive an imported ford, only becasue they don't make them here. Besides, how many componants of an aussie made car are imported. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones mate!

PF. Was your piggery anything like this one. Does this only occurr in WA? Is this fottage recent, I saw no dates?

Besides, I don't support this type of farming, so what's your problem?
Posted by rehctub, Friday, 31 July 2009 8:10:07 PM
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Rehctub I dont have the problem, this is your comment
'Someone mentioned pigs marinating in their own filth.

Utter rubbish! Go and visit a modern piggery. '

This is a modern piggery and the matter is currently before the courts. You should also have a look at http://www.australianpigfarmers.com.au/archives
Posted by PF, Friday, 31 July 2009 8:29:29 PM
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*Well at least we are getting somewhere yabby, you do recognise that LE costs jobs.*

Not so Rehctub, but I did deal with your claimed concerns about jobs
being the issue.

*People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones mate!*

Yup I agree! Now just you remember that :)

But of course the WA meat processing industry has just badly shot
itself in the foot and are now starting to realise it. Due to
the lack of competition (anything that wasn't going on a boat),
they paid as little as possible, well below the Eastern States rates
for lamb, mutton etc. The saleyards were little more then a joke,
for years and years.

Now they are suddenly finding that farmers have been
quietly liquidating their flocks and switching to all crops.
The sheep population is down 10 million or so and unless they
change their ways, it will keep going down. So they might learn
the hard way.

I put in alot of effort some years ago, to get them to change their
ways, but nobody was interested. Just screw the grower, was the
game plan it seems.

So right now they have to be really nice to me and pay me record
prices for my lambs, as I am one of the few farmers who has a flock
of wool free sheep, so is not affected by the mulesing saga.

Last time I was at the meatworks, the boys were standing around not
very impressed, for their past ignorance meant that they were
down to working 2 days a week, as sheep have been replaced with
grain production
Posted by Yabby, Friday, 31 July 2009 8:41:40 PM
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I'm all for banning or at least restricting live exports. As rehctub argued, it takes slaughtering jobs offshore. I understand that there are all sorts of halal requirements and the like but realistically, if they want our meat surely they'll settle for an onshore halal abattoir? I'm probably showing my complete ignorance of the industry here, but it's a thought.

The other reason is one of animal cruelty. Quite often the Port of Townsville is graced with the presence of cattleships waiting to be loaded with their live cargo. After a day or so, I can smell the filth from halfway up the Strand. What sort of conditions are these cattle living in by the time they reach their destinations? Even if efforts are made to maintain some sort of decency, you can't tell me that they have a happy tropical cruise, after which they are knocked peacefully on the head to dream of green meadows for all eternity.
Posted by Otokonoko, Friday, 31 July 2009 9:07:22 PM
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* I'm probably showing my complete ignorance of the industry here, but it's a thought.*

Very true words spoken by you Oto, very true indeed :)
Posted by Yabby, Friday, 31 July 2009 9:13:03 PM
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