ana ana ana ana ananother lie. Boy, back flip beaty sure tought her well, hey!

If only some of these fools would rub off on Krud and crew. They must be embarrested to be associated with a party like this lot in QLD.

AnSymeonakis “I do not trust at all the local counsils. I heard bad stories about the the buildings, extensions etc even may be I have this kind of experiences! …….. I prefer the federal and state governments!”

That is only because state and federal government have more resources available with which to bury their “bad stories”

Although, I think he might have made a good PM, I would ultimately to agree with Belly re Costello… his petulance has put him out of contention.

Ludwig.. I hear you but “sustainability” is based on a rational argument. Politics like everything else is driven not by what are the rational issues but by what are the emotional issues. Whilst “sustainability” might seem the right motivator, the final vote will be based on personality and more perception than fact. Hence all the Labor “spin doctors” busy spending our taxes on “hype”.

Col

Sustainability is not necessarily just about rational argument. It could be quite emotional. It depends on how it is ‘sold’.

Of course if Turnbull was to take up the challenge, then he’d set his spin-doctors on to the task of making it sound as emotional and sexy as possible.

We agree that the logical argument is there and that it’s not hard to get across at all. So the challenge would be sell the idea that a pro-growth party could be trusted with its embrace of a limits-to-growth philosophy and that a merchant banker could be a champion of grass-roots environmental principles!

This sounds like a formidable task. But as I say, I reckon this challenge is more easily met than the challenge of beating Rudd at his own game, with practically identical policies.

Ludwig, as so often happens, I wholly agree with you.

Ultimately, trying to beat an incumbent Prime Minister with "Me-To" policies only works when there is a ground swell and underlying desire for change... per the last election.

Although I place my personal support to the right of the political spectrum, I doubt Turnbull will lead the liberals/nationals to victory and I cannot see anyone else leaping up to fill the shoes of John Howard... more is the pity.

Because, at this time, we need politicians who understand the national need and who recognise, "centralisation of government", per health, water and emissions taxes, is not the direction we should be going.

It is, infact, in the opposite direction to effective government (aka smaller government).

“Ultimately, trying to beat an incumbent Prime Minister with "Me-To" policies only works when there is a ground swell and underlying desire for change... per the last election.”

Absolutely Col!

For Turnbull, or his replacement, to take this approach to the next election is just political suicide!

If by some strange chance they did manage to win, they’d win on the basis of being the slightly better choice of two evils! And the public would view it as such.

The only way they could win with that approach is if Rudd did something very highly unpalatable. They’d win by default. They’d win because they were the only alternative to a government that had greatly offended the constituency. Thus, they wouldn’t have support!

Whereas if they espoused a sustainability platform and won on that basis, they’d have genuine support.