Now that's clever Horus, a little to soon as I to think there is at least one more term left for labor. I don't think they have finnished screwing up our nation just yet.

But boy, you surely are on the money in my books, except for anna lie, I think there may be a 'mutiny' before she gets another shot.

Do you know what the libs’ ONLY chance of gaining power at the next election is?

Susbloodystainability!! Stand up and be seen to be REALLY different to the labs by promoting a sensible future plan that is based on genuine sustainability principles, including net zero population and an end to the utter absurdity of continuous expansionism.

If this was done properly, the community would rally behind it, for as long as they believed it was genuine.

Now, Turnbull is an ex environment minister. So you’d reckon he’d have some sort of understanding of sustainability principles (as opposed to economists and businessmen who just obviously don’t have a clue!)

And surely he could see this is the direction that Australia HAS to move in, sooner or later, in fact really soon.

And he can no doubt see that the libs just don’t have a chance in hell of winning the next election by just continuing to be a shadow of the labs.

They’ve got less chance of power than Costello has of becoming a half-decent human being…. um, I mean, of becoming PM….um, no I was right the first time….er no I was right both times!!

Cmawwn Turnbull, enough bull! Turn your party’s fortunes around. Embrace the new paradigm!

Please people
we all know you can only ask one question in any one referendum if you want the matter passed
my vote would be for an elected 'Head of State'

Malcolm Turnbull is a spent force. He doesn't even have the capacity to "really" convince his party that they actually lost the last election, let alone to convince them to embark on an enlightened environmental agenda. He's NOT an environmentalist, although compared to Tony Abbott he looks like the Patron Saint of the environment. Malcolm Turnbull is a MULTI MEGA MILLIONAIRE MERCHANT BANKER.

Luddy, you couldn't possibly be serious in expecting Mr Turnbull to implement a meaningful environmental policy AND actually get the support of his party! Malcolm is so weak he couldn't even convince Tony Abbott that the world is round!

The GREAT flaw in BOTH parties is that there's not enough people within them who actually understand the environment, and peoples' relationship to the environment. Luddy you couldn't be more wrong about Malcolm Turnbull, just as you couldn't be more wrong regarding your dark age mentality regarding the relationship between people and the environment. A mentality that belongs to a bygone era. But that's ok, you have a perfect right to express your ideas in a free society.

“Luddy, you couldn't possibly be serious in expecting Mr Turnbull to implement a meaningful environmental policy AND actually get the support of his party! Malcolm is so weak he couldn't even convince Tony Abbott that the world is round!”

You know Master, over the last decade I have travelled all over north and central Queensland with my job and spoken to hundreds of landholders... people who sit at the foundation of the National Party…people who hate greenies with a passion.

I wish I had a dollar for every time I’ve heard a landholder say something like; ‘I’m not a greenie but’….and then gone on to outline some pretty sound principles about balancing productivity with environmental health…. and to express their dislike of those who impose continuous rapid population growth on us amongst other things.

The fact is that people on the land are by and large pretty sustainability-minded.

The Nationals recognised this a few years back. Some of the things being bandied around by the Borbidge government (1995-8) and in its aftermath were pretty reasonable. I thought at the time that just maybe the most redneck party could become the greenest party….and do it based on the wishes of its constituency.

Well the same goes for Turnbull and his mob. Currently they’re about as antisustainabilityist as they could be. But if they’d just look at the true wishes and concerns of the Queensland public, I reckon they could find a way of advocating the right thing politically, and of putting themselves in a position to carry it out, ie: getting elected.

Now master, what’s this blab about dark age mentality? It seems that you don’t know what sustainability is…yes I’ve said this before….it’s not just about the environment, most importantly it is about US – our future wellbeing!

Don’t be so negative. Surely you can see that we simply MUST find a way to get our politicians to embrace sustainability. Given this absolute necessity, and given the desperation for those in opposition to win power, the two should be married……and there should be no reason why they can’t go together!

Belly
"no independents in the upper house Labor increases its majority"
Hooooh! your jokes are first class!
My friend,
voters from poor labours and unionists will go to Greens,
voters from migrants and women will go to Democrats
voters from small businesses will go to Liberals.
Forget the upper house and try to created the right relations with democrats and Greens.
You will have big problems from the small parties in the next elections!
re-read my post I do not say what you think. PROBABLY YOU DO NOT KNOW GREEKENGLISH!