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The Forum > General Discussion > How does Society Change? : 'The Haves and the Have Nots'

How does Society Change? : 'The Haves and the Have Nots'

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Some might suggest the reason the very concept of class exists is because many people tend to be 'naturally' discriminatory and prejudiced.
For instance, some people might automatically put "The stupid, security-paralysed and idle" into a class of their own.
Such people would automatically assume that a poor person must be stupid, and anyone who would want to breed with such a person would have to be equally stupid, and so their children would turn out to be stupid, and therefore a decent education would be wasted on them.
Posted by Grim, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 2:32:20 PM
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“For instance, some people might automatically put "The stupid, security-paralysed and idle" into a class of their own.”

This would be the Old Money Family?

“Such people would automatically assume that a poor person must be stupid, and anyone who would want to breed with such a person would have to be equally stupid, and so their children would turn out to be stupid, and therefore a decent education would be wasted on them.”

Ahh yes private schooling...wonder if these thoughts are on a concious level or imbedded in their DNA.

Thank you Antonios, I am unsure of what I did to deserve such praise
Posted by The Pied Piper, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 2:46:59 PM
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>>“For instance, some people might automatically put "The stupid, security-paralysed and idle" into a class of their own.”

This would be the Old Money Family?<<

Sounds like the upper reaches of the Public Service to me where the Peter Principle reigns supreme.
Posted by RobP, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 3:11:59 PM
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Underonegod “as many have realised the fall to the bottum...means more that mere wealth...the ritch by and large have developed by oppertuinistic advantage..their credit makes it possable to do the vile they do...sans asset[thus sans credit]i doudt that many could even survive]let alone rebuild...”
Several points
1 I suggest you re-read my previous posts and acknowledge I did make a direct reference to “Maslow” and the obvious significance of that reference to the qualification of “Wealth”
2 your opening comment “blanket statements should be avoided col” would illustrate your own capacity for hypocrisy when I read your words “the ritch by and large”….
3 I never knew wealth was a recipe for vileness… I know quite a few vile folk who I would never characterize or Classify as “rich” who are completely vile… the newspapers are full of them.. the dole bludgers and sneak thieves, tax avoiders and the small mean-minded hypocrites of life...

(btw I do not usually say anything but I would seriously suggest you work with a spell-checker )

4 “doubt that many could even survive let alone rebuild”

Who on earth do you suppose built and maintain the businesses and commerce upon which the Australian social fabric depends and which you seem to think simply exists without care and management?

Like I said previously, when 1/3 of Australia’s millionaires are first generation migrants, you can see them as self-made men and women. I know several who have built businesses and when some have maybe seen their business lost they do not lose the capacity and energy to build it again.. your assertion fails.

Pied Piper “So in your Uncles case Col one did work harder to get where he got while the other maybe had more fun? In what way was your favorite one class conscious?”

By making a big issue of it at a family wedding

Re your own illustration…. Anyone who needs to look down at anyone else has a problem, better to accept everyone as a peer and individual than pretend anyone is inherently better than the other.
Posted by Col Rouge, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 5:01:57 PM
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Pied Piper… re furniture salesmen … similar to you, I was buying an engagement ring recently and was asked by the jeweler what my budget was.. embarrassing when the lady who will wear it was standing there too.. fortunately I chose a number which was high enough for her to be wearing it now.
The same thing happened when I bought a house a few years back.. I was asked what my budget was.. I told them I would decide when I had seen what they had to offer… sometimes not declaring an amount can work wonders :- )

AnSymeonakis “If you are not a top class racisist then you have no idea from auastralian reality, at least in relation with me personaly, I can give you many proofs and evidents even in writing, including a notice from a liberal officer!”
I am at a loss to understand what that little outburst is all about… nothing I said alluded to any “racist” undertones, let alone overt statements and none of it was “personal”.. I am inclined to do a Pauline Hanson

“Please Explain?”
Posted by Col Rouge, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 5:13:49 PM
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“Pied Piper… re furniture salesmen … similar to you, I was buying an engagement ring recently and was asked by the jeweler what my budget was.. embarrassing when the lady who will wear it was standing there too.. fortunately I chose a number which was high enough for her to be wearing it now.”

Well done that man and congratulations.

A friend of mine got married recently in Scotland and I watched it over the internet, was a brilliant use of technology.

“The same thing happened when I bought a house a few years back.. I was asked what my budget was.. I told them I would decide when I had seen what they had to offer… sometimes not declaring an amount can work wonders :- )”

In my experience I’d say the same as you and they’d take me to a cardboard box under a bridge somewhere.[smile]
Posted by The Pied Piper, Wednesday, 29 July 2009 7:07:41 PM
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