Yes without doubt it is, no doubt for me at all, my party is lost in a space of its own making.
You can get pelted out of my ALP for talking like this.
But it is love for my party that drives me, some one must be the fall guy, must step up and take the dead man seat, lead us toward a better result come election than the massacre we face.
No not good enough, do not wait then rebuild from the scrap heap that is left over, do it now.
Labor is privatizing more government jobs, not to save money, well they will say thats why, it is a lie.
Contractors not unlike those NSW rail is known for, will get the work, be paid very well for it but not ever do it right.
Untrained unskilled government employed surveillance officers will do an even worse job, not seeing the work gets done and to standard.
Fact is the power sell of got put back, so people behind that traitors sell out turn a blind eye to workers being betrayed both the poor casual laborers who will get these jobs for poor wages and those who once had them.
Even worse the public will not get the services they need even clean toilets in rest areas are soon to be a thing of the past.
Yes the opposition is not much good, but they do not need to be, as labor turns its back on NSW workers they too have very much turned their backs on what is no longer their party.
What event drove the ALP in NSW from a national leader to a sad national joke?
How dare I tell it like it is?
My party needs the Truth it needs direction a stick around its legs, privatize public servants not out door workers, watch the results get very much better with the anchor rope cut.

Belly ,you are stating the bleeding obivious.I've been saying this for 5 yrs.Barry O'Farrell won't be much better.The fact is that the bureaucracy have painted both parties into a corner.They have stuffed the State,have lower growth rates and now must sell off income earning assets to cover debt.Global Corporates will now own more of Australia.We will be in more debt in terms of tolls,power and infrastructure.

My advice is to buy a farm grow,your own and be more indpendant of big Govt/corporates,since their avarice and stupidity have us stuffed for the next 20 yrs.

Why do they like privatizing things so much?

I don't understand this sentence.......

"Fact is the power sell of got put back, so people behind that traitors sell out turn a blind eye to workers being betrayed both the poor casual laborers who will get these jobs for poor wages and those who once had them."

Belly
Come on my friend do not cry! what did you expect from them to do? Do not you know that they lie us? Do not you know that their programs are marketing tools only and nothing else?
I saw it in Germany, I saw it in Greece I saw it in Cyprus and now you are crying for the same thing in NSW!
They know that we are very idiots, they know that we have very weak memory, they know that they can devide us, they can weak us, that they can buy us. The problem is not with them but with us!
Today I had my first meating with some democrats and a member of the legislative Council in South Australia. We try to rebuild the party. At least we give less promisess and we are more honest! It is very early but I am sure we will do something, I thing we will have an increase in votes more than 5% in national level. 2 federal senators more and and much more state senators.

The Pied Piper
My good friend they want cash NOW, they do not care what will happened later, they do not care if it damage people's interests. Do you know how much cost an election campaign? many milions of dollars! Who will pay all this money? The companies of cause! But do you think they give their money for nothing?
Do you know any better way to buy so rich public organizations for so low prices? Privitation is the best way to steal public wealth legaly!
First governments milk the people to the last cent and create a strong public organization and later they give it as a gift to private sector!
Do you remember what happened with oligarchs in Rusia? Not very diferent happen in west countries with privitation!
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

all levels of govt have pension obligations[the privatisation not only raises cash..to give to the overly generouse supper anuation given to public serve ants...but diminishes the ammount able to recieve these super deeds of grant

also govts have been stripped of many of its [our] assets..by clever leveraged advances loaned against our invastructure...leveraged advances that in the past allowed a cash advance..[leveraged against future income return...unspoken is the default clauses written into these advances...that have kicked in penalty clauses...govts can only repay by selling off yet more of the peoples assets

of course others could explain it better..but the media is as asleep as it is complicite...funny how criminals dont come clean about their colluded vile...and the dumbed down sheeple slumber in their sleep...the fruits of the two party lawyers boys club bears its vile fruit...and still the mugs sleep

Privatisation (and Public Private Partnerships) was first made popular by Margaret Thatcher and then adopted by the WTO, who pressured developing nations into adopting it - specifically to transfer public wealth to the private sector. Most governments saw it as a way to raise some quick cash while others picked up some bargains. The public take all the risks and private interests reap the profits. It's also like stealing from the past and from the future at the same time.

As for O'Farrell solving all our problems and leading us into a bright new future we should first examine his policies.

1. Cut Payroll Tax.
2 ?

Any takers?

It's one thing to criticise but another to convince people that you actually have a solution to a problem - or is he hoping to "do a Bradbury" and wait for all the other skaters to fall over?

As accident-prone and tired as NSW Labour has become, I don't see that the Libs have anything to offer beyond short-term political opportunism and you can't live off that for 4 years.

Belly do not cry?
The Wollongong fiasco, nude dancing idiots, a leader better suited to go back to his former job, it is endless.
Once Carr left my party went on leave with him.
Let me say good or bad this election when it comes, will see the greens very much in control of the upper house.
And holding seats in the lower one.
Without action now not tomorrow, and not Frank Sartor, the ALP is killing its self in NSW.
Center unity once was the engine of the ALP nation wide, the self inflicted wounds will bring this state down.
Back room deals will not breath life into this dead beast, action may.
Let me explain that sentence back up the thread.
This last week has seen me daylight till dark sometimes well after, talking to workers with up to 40 years loyal service.
They know their jobs are to go, and they always end up in the hands of casual workers.
And that those jobs are not done well.
And that it costs more for less
Some have had less than ten days sick leave in 40 years
Some may even work for those contractors for less pay/worse conditions.
casual workers, forever casual.
Who are under paid and often poorly treated, now right now, NSW government departments , have casuals on their books who have worked constantly as casuals, for up to 6 and a half years.
In so many areas casualisation of the workforce is being supported by government and its contractors, even storage for contractors cars and trucks safe unpaid use of government facility's, is given to favored firms, often the worst employers.
Yes the opposition is bad, but if workers are to be flogged better it not be at the hands of the party they once thought was theirs.
If nothing else is gained by my party's lemming rush to defeat we at least can start to rebuild once its over.

I am no hero, my post puts me at risk, lets face it some know who I am.
Industrial relations is just a small part of my concerns bout my hopeless party's direction.
Make zero mistake, Rudd and my federal party are going very well, will be Center stage for years to Come, bless them.
I however Want a few of the many who from every side of my party in this state, who came from the union movement to think.
As you climbed that union ladder to your position did you leave the ideals behind?
Can you remember how It felt to see a group of workers lied to? betrayed,
How can anyone stand by and watch while government workers, lead by incompetent fools who are the real problem get replaced?
By labour hire firms who wine and dine those who control contracts, who treat workers as disposable humans, who sometimes are owned by ex unionists?
I ask for no workers Paradise, no bludgers retreat.
But I do want to turn the focus on very poor management, that saw my states rail contract system murdered by criminals, that sees crimes everyday by management.
That has let workers take the blame for such weakens uncontrolled stupidity in some government departments.
IT IS TRUE, THE NSW government workplaces are th only job I ever saw that promotes idiots, gives large redundancies to high placed people then brings them back on contract!
But bleeds the ordinary workers to death a few at a time over lunch giving contracts to turn jobs into slave like conditions.
MY Party we must refocus go to defeat doing the right thing not selling out workers converting jobs to slavery, rebuilding is am imposable task if you murder us.

Belly and Antonios,

I am sympathetic to your concerns. I live in the ACT and I have experienced something similar.

Back in the 1960s, the Federal Government enticed people to come to the ACT to work in the Federal Public Service by building and running hostels for them to live in. Over time, after getting the best out of the workers, the government tired of running the hostels and bit by bit got them off their books. This was done silently and without the knowledge of those that lived there, who were under the impression that they could stay there for life and were governed by a contract ensuring any replacement accommodation would have to be of the same standard. As the Government got the properties off its books, oversight of the contract slipped and lots of ordinary people who really didn’t have anywhere else to go started falling through the cracks.

The problems people faced were diverse, but ranged from making plans on the basis that they would live at the hostels until they died and then being financially worse off when they realised this wasn’t true, to being abruptly relocated to aged-care facilities and suffering mental health problems as a result of no longer having a community of people around. Some committed suicide it is believed.

One particular hostel was knocked down and renovated to become a 5-star hotel complex. During the process of getting the long-term residents – including 70 and 80 year olds who had never lived anywhere else since first coming to Canberra – out, help was sought from ALP politicians whose party HQ was literally a big stone’s throw away. After the residents got the usual polite brushoff from the bureaucracy and Government, the ALP has now relocated itself into the new 5-star hotel complex. So there you have it: the plebs get thrown out on the street to make way for the political powerbrokers to help themselves.

I did not start this thread to talk of the opposition, yes they are badly lead, I was wrong.
I thought they had found a leader, they have not, but do not need one.
This state is bound for trouble, no chance at all exists to return this mob to government.
Even with the coming last minute change in leadership, the knife is out and self mutilation well under way, contractors replacement of government jobs.
But we know that, all of us do, the greens however not my party, not my ideal, are about to get their greatest ever election results.
Be aware they will control the upper house, will take seats from both party's in the lower, and it may take 20 years but one day will run this state.
Right now workers are about to go to the opposition in massive numbers asking just one question, what is our future .
I invite my opponents, those welded to federal conservatives to open their minds as I have, your party's leadership and direction is as useless and unfocused as mine in this state.
Room exists to understand ,we all can see blind loyalty leads to blind stupidity in our camps.
If every member concerned about NSW and its lost , treacherous mob was expelled from the ALP we would have no members.
After our flogging in the poll to come may some feel as ashamed of themselves as I am of them now.

Believe it of not the rot in New South Wales is the fault of the Liberal Party. It privatized the Supreme Court way back in 1970, as far as civil jurisdiction is concerned and killed the goose that laid the golden eggs.

The abolition of jury trial is New South Wales as of right and the installation of Judges in Courts, who write Rules to supersede all prior inconsistent acts of Parliament including the Australian Constitution, mean that the little people suffer and the rich get richer all the time. This was a Liberal Party idea. It abolished democracy because ordinary people in courts are democracy.

If Nathan Rees restores full jury trial as of right, repealed by the Liberal Party in 1970, and strips Judges of their monopoly, to give a few honest lawyers a fair go, then just watch New South Wales recover swiftly with virtually unlimited funds. One Judge three years ago robbed New South Wales of over a billion dollars by judging, instead of sending a matter to a jury. Judges are expensive, and no matter how much they get are still able to be bribed.

New South Wales became corruption central over the past forty years. Rees can fix it, but his lawyer mates may not let him

If Nathan Rees just fixes the Supreme Court, and restores them to their status as Australian Courts, this Act will make New South Wales prosper again.

http://www.community-law.info/?page_id=475

“all levels of govt have pension obligations[the privatisation not only raises cash..to give to the overly generouse supper anuation given to public serve ants...but diminishes the ammount able to recieve these super deeds of grant”

That’s weird though, private companies would also pay their people super? Like in the workforce, you sit on a salary while some contractor wanders on in and makes your monthly salary in a couple of days doing what you know how to do.

Last and lowest figure I read was that DOCS pays five thousand dollars per foster child a fortnight to go to a non government org (they pass on around six hundred a fortnight of this to their foster carers). Same child placed with me and they’d pay four hundred dollars a fortnight. Why aren’t the taxpayers having a fit?

“also govts have been stripped of many of its [our] assets..by clever leveraged advances loaned against our invastructure...leveraged advances that in the past allowed a cash advance..[leveraged against future income return...unspoken is the default clauses written into these advances...that have kicked in penalty clauses...govts can only repay by selling off yet more of the peoples assets”

Sorry OUG, what is an “asset” in this case? Like an example of one.

“of course others could explain it better..but the media is as asleep as it is complicite...funny how criminals dont come clean about their colluded vile...and the dumbed down sheeple slumber in their sleep...the fruits of the two party lawyers boys club bears its vile fruit...and still the mugs sleep"

Oh cause the media is a ngo? “Two party lawyers” – what does that mean?

Belly you talk about this collection of politicians like they are a rugby team, I never heard anyone passionate about a government before. Can you explain it to me?

The Pied Piper
"Last and lowest figure I read was that DOCS pays five thousand dollars per foster child a fortnight to go to a non government org (they pass on around six hundred a fortnight of this to their foster carers). Same child placed with me and they’d pay four hundred dollars a fortnight"
Are you sure for it? I supposed you can not do anything because you depend on them.
Can you give me proofs for your information, the web site or anything else?
I will fight my friend BUT I want PROOFS, EVIDENTS.
I will try to bring the issue in the parliament and mass media.
PLEASE GIVE ME MORE INFORMATION.
I want additioanal information if you have, I will try to find my self too.
Can you tell me if we have any studies, any coments from experts, professionals which environment is better for a child, in organizations or in families. I know my friend that you are very good in your job but I want to tell them that we have a beter, healthier environment for the child according to... with $400 per week, why do you pay $2.500 per week, to non government organizations?
PLEASE TRUST ME! I WILL TRY WITH MY WAY!
Antonis Symeonakis
Adelaide

Belly
You hurt me my friend, I saw many first class unionists to give the batle you are giving now, and who expeled from the party to return back as... chickens.
My friend if we do not convert the Australia Union Movement to an autonomus, independent, democratic movement WE, THE UNIONISTS ALWAYS WILL BE PUNCHED FROM THE LABOUR GOVERNMENTS AND LABOUR PARTY!
Conservatives with their acts strength the union movement but labours with their sweet promises and full control of the it, THEY STRANGLE THE UNION MOVEMENT!
Sorry but you can not do anything, you have no choice! Do you know how many comrades are ready to grab your job? Do you know how many comrades are ready to expell you from the party as traitor?
I moved from country to country hunding a chimera, do not do the same mistake! It is not easy to clean the floors!
If my friend want your party or the Union movement to respect you, if you want to have a voice THEN FIGHT FOR DEMOCRACY, FIGHT FOR DEEPER AND WIDER DEMOCRACY, in other case my friend one, after the other we will give up!
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

http://www.community.nsw.gov.au/DOCSWR/_assets/main/LIB100039/RED_CROSS_FUNDING.PDF
This program has the mums on centrelink benefits and charges them rent and the young mums buy all their own and their babies clothes, food and pay for daycare.

http://www.community.nsw.gov.au/DOCSWR/_assets/main/documents/ANNUAL_REPORT06_07.PDF
“High Needs Kids Placements”
“Life Without Barriers
Children & Young Persons Placement Service 16,015,219”

This “high needs” is interesting; they take any and all kids.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24619222-2702,00.html
“She was recruited to the industry by a private company called Life Without Barriers, established by lawyers and businessmen from the Hunter Valley in the 1990s.
Life Without Barriers last year received $62 million in funding from the NSW Government.”

Antonios: “Can you tell me if we have any studies, any coments from experts, professionals which environment is better for a child, in organizations or in families. I know my friend that you are very good in your job but I want to tell them that we have a better, healthier environment for the child according to... with $400 per week, why do you pay $2.500 per week, to non government organizations?”

200.00 a week while other carers get 50.00 a week to another 200.00 a week more depending on which NGO. They are all in families, just depends who the family chooses to work for.

No… I have never found anything to say that whether a foster parent fosters through an NGO or via DoCS there is any difference. Good and Bad in both places my friend. The bad can probably hide better with an NGO because DoCS leave them to it and accept NGO reports as proof the child/ren are okay.

This NSW government now wants all of the kids to go to NGO’s, I don’t think they will be safe. I see it as them handing the kids to business people who will profit.

But if Belly could explain – why do they do this? This must cost more than increasing the staff at DoCS and bringing back all the foster parents to work for them.

You be the Judge: Do these cartel conditions apply to the High Court while they maintain their ban on accepting everything submitted for filing with them.

Will NSW remain a basket case until they start competing.
44ZZRD Cartel provisions
(1) For the purposes of this Act, a provision of a contract, arrangement or understanding is a cartel provision if:
(a) either of the following conditions is satisfied in relation to the provision:
(i) the purpose/effect condition set out in subsection (2);
(ii) the purpose condition set out in subsection (3); and
(b) the competition condition set out in subsection (4) is satisfied in relation to the provision.
Purpose/effect condition
(2) The purpose/effect condition is satisfied if the provision has the purpose, or has or is likely to have the effect, of directly or indirectly:
(a) fixing, controlling or maintaining; or

(d) goods or services acquired, or likely to be acquired, by any or all of the parties to the contract, arrangement or understanding; or
Note 1: The purpose/effect condition can be satisfied when a provision is considered with related provisions—see subsection (8).
Note 2: Party has an extended meaning—see section 44ZZRC.

Purpose condition
(3) The purpose condition is satisfied if the provision has the purpose of directly or indirectly:
(a) preventing, restricting or limiting:

(ii) the capacity, or likely capacity, of any or all of the parties to the contract, arrangement or understanding to supply services; or
(4) The competition condition is satisfied if at least 2 of the parties to the contract, arrangement or understanding:
(a) are or are likely to be; or
(b) but for any contract, arrangement or understanding, would be or would be likely to be;
in competition with each other in relation to:

(g) if subparagraph (3)(a)(ii) applies in relation to preventing, restricting or limiting the capacity, or likely capacity, to supply services—the supply of those services; or
(h) if subparagraph (3)(a)(iii) applies in relation to preventing, restricting or limiting the supply, or likely supply, of goods or services—the supply of those goods or services; or

The breaking news from New Jersey near New York City, is a massive corruption bust, involving lots of public officials.

"This investigation has once again identified a corrupt network of public officials who were all too willing to take cash in exchange for promised official action," said Acting U.S. Attorney Ralph J. Marra, Jr. in Newark, NJ on Thursday while announcing the arrests of the 44 people.

"Respected figures in positions of public and private trust engaged in conduct behind closed doors that belied the faces of honesty, integrity and rectitude they displayed daily to their respective constituencies," he said.

"The list of names and titles of those arrested today sounds like a roster for a community leaders meeting," said Weysan Dun, special agent in charge of the FBI in Newark. "Sadly, these prominent individuals were not in a meeting room but were in the FBI booking room."

If the Commonwealth had a similar organisation to the FBI, they would probably find a similar network of corruption in New South Wales. There are persistent rumours that organised crime organises council approvals in some local government areas.

we seem sometimes to get lost, threads that are about something we are all concerned about die or turn into other subjects.
I do it now, in trying to fix a few uncertainty's the thread dug up.
Why PTB are your fixations with courts worth a mention.
Well maybe they could play a part, some from the history and present from both party's here could be imprisoned a great outcome.
Why the ALP TPP?
Once, well now in my dreams and hopes it was/is my life raft, in my mind the conservatives truly do not care for workers WORK CHOICES was just evidence of a lifelong understanding .
Wealth in their view is only for some.
Do you know a former leader of the National party said money had found its way into the wrong hands after miners won big wage increases in WA ?.
You have to live my life to know why my party is my life.
But never at any cost never no matter what, right now my mob plan a blood letting but its of workers not useless public servants.
AS Mate , you in my mind do not understand the trade union movement a forget what it was look only at what it is.
It is not true that workers leave labor or unions because they are not radical enough, it never will be true,
Yes workers ride for free on the backs of today, yesterdays unionists, even the ACTU campaigns for minimum wage increases are mostly for non unionists.
You friend may have the best intentions but are sitting on your horse facing back wards.
You tell us with pride of your membership of the Democrats, that horse is dead, it will Never run trot or even breath again.
IT AS sold out workers, it sold its sole to John Howard.
posting limits silence me for a time but room exists for us to remind those who are in our party's who climbed over others to get there , betrayal is forever, party first not self NSW must act or forever be shamed

the cartel provisions would no doudt do little to end the true cartels[like real estate's agents setting prices of homes,or the 2 party monopolisation of politics...or the advertisers control over media,or indeed union control over unions

special intrests have allways set the price as suits them..[be it wholsalers setting the price of corn..or retailers setting the price of mobile phone charges..[or the price of petrol being set by the price of signapure special blend...

there are massive collusions all about us..[and the public service ignores their role to protect the common weal...and set about collecting their gross public weal subsidised pensions..[pensions should be one size fits all...ie everyone gets the same pension..[full stop]

but the colusions go on [the courts have their cartel arrangments via precedant rules...fixing the price of penelaties and terms of imprisonment acording to the full extent of their limiting cartel,rules by the organisation of lawyers

[who make laws when they chose to become polititions[or rule the law when other lawyers become judges...or chose not to enforce the law when they become minesters overseeing a minis-tory-ial port-folio

http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/

Corporate Media Spotlights Distortion of Market by High Frequency Trading
By: poorrichard

The New York Times hits the issue pretty strongly,writing:

Nearly everyone on Wall Street is wondering how hedge funds and large banks like Goldman Sachs are making so much money so soon after the financial system nearly collapsed.

High-frequency trading is one answer[My Comment: Tyler Durden has shown that Goldman Sachs is by far the largest program trader in the market,..twice as large as the next biggest.

Tyler also publicized the issue of high frequency trading long before almost anyone else,so I am really just summarizing what he has previously said] ...

http://www.senseoncents.com/2009/07/wall-street-has-a-problem-as-high-frequency-trading-moves-to-main-street/

it might be worthwhile joining the rep broacsasting archive[a buck and 33 cents per mth...and listening to robbies show today...very interesting stuff

im gifting to you gabby...revealing the scam sukking us all dry...its amasing what bailouts to bankers can do..[once they leverage the bail out...lol..into trillions of bucks of credit]

its worth also noting the intrest bearing bonds [were going to be paying the intrest on[via fiat dollars creatyed by the fed reserrve banking cartel
HOLY @#-Treasury Auction Schedule
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/1256-HOLY-

note BROKEN LINK
....insert 3 ..! marks
lol..asked to remove..too many exclamaTION MARKS FROM LINK...LOL

-Treasury-Auction-Schedule.html

That's two hundred thirty-five billion dollars over the next week!

Almost one quarter of a trillion.......

sorry i got no updates on the bankers meeting..[but the minutes would make facinating reading..[little wonder the media isnt reporting]

but got some info on reducing pensions lol
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/jul2009/delp-j24.shtml

or congress-guy laughing AT ben baningkey
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00ECLxK2YTs&feature=player_embedded

or the X leighman dude revealing how leighman pumped up the real estate market
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601088&sid=aG3YsgvyaXGk&ref=patrick.net

or how fed buddies are concerned about the fede audit
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2009/07/fed-friendly-economists-in-panic-mode.html
wall street unraveled
http://revolutionarypolitics.com/?p=1870

or how the corrupt public servants got stung
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/07/massive_nj_corruption_sting_ta.html

or how the israel lobby runs the show
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7&section=0&article=124829&d=24&m=7&y=2009
or how the world is dumping the us dollar
http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?q=6347.4807.0.0
meaning us commodities will go through the roof

or why we got so many microwave phone towers
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20327185.600-microwave-weapon-will-rain-pain-from-the-sky.html

That will do me.
Its time to wander away from the thread.
I no longer remember what it was about.
OH yes thats it.
My state my party workers betrayed.
Who cares about that?
Well watch this space .
The last breath change of leadership, yet to come is not changing much.
Those who lead the power privatization fight, the one we are about to be betrayed on, need to awaken to this one.
It may be 30 years until labor wins in NSW again.

Belly
My friend when I say "Conservatives with their acts strength the union movement" I mean thet they are so provocative, so much against labours that with their acts push labours to organized and fight for their rights.
With labour governments the things are different, they are hypocrities they speak for labour rights but they promote corporation's interests. Yes labours are jampions in hypocricy and it is not easy to find where finish the truth and start the lie!
While we know with liberals we lose everything they can take from us according to their power and our weakness with labours we are not sure for anything, the only way to sleep well is to have a stick in your hand all the time! But where to find the stick when even the Unions are controled from them? Let's allow them to sell what they can sell now and Liberals will finish with the rest!
If there are some honest people between Liberals or Labours then their position is with Democrats, with the HONESTS!
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Peter the Believer I think you are right on the amount of corruption in NSW.We only have to look at Govt contracts with favoured contractors getting jobs at outrageous prices.

Headmasters of local public schools cannot pick their own contractors and have to pay contract costs that are 3 and 4 times that of smaller contractors.eg a local primay school not far from me got a price for a concrete slab of $9500.00 they had to accept the preferred Govt contract price of $39,950.00.Now schools are always strapped for cash and an extra $30,000.00 means a lot to them.

Bob Carr bags the concept of a desalination plant.He described it as bottled electricity.He trots off the the Middle East and comes back singing it's praises.What changed Bob's mind? Knowing that he is a failed premier ,he resigns and joins the millionaire's club at McQuarie Bank.Bob Carr has intimate knowledege of the workings of the NSW Public Service.He gets a $500,000.00 consultancy job for just a few hrs a week dedication.Who is pulling who's strings?

I don't think that Barry O'Farrell has the will or balls to to make NSW a better state.Barry voted with NSW Labor to consolidate a bill that allows councils to ; Compulsory acquire land for public projects that is not just that of the immediate necessity to that project,but also that adjacent to the project that can be rezoned and sold by the Council at profit to developers.Barry tried to it fob off saying that his party did not understand the amendment to the bill.Why then is Barry still leader of the NSW Coalition?

Only when there is total collapse will new leaders with principles,morals and notions of fair play rise from the ashes.

Belly is well intentioned,but the task of changing this corrupt system seems too great.We have not reached the bottom yet.

Truly I fear our ability to debate politics is threatened by some weird ideas.
And by one party blindness, the fact some see only the other sides wrongs.
It do does not matter, not even a little, that the opposition leader in NSW is just as bad as the lost bloke leading the lemmings [ALP].
It is far more important to ask why.
Why both party's like a rabbit stunned in the spotlight appear willing to run with the two blind mice they have.
It is said Hockey will switch to state politics, no way!
His task is clear, he must be the one to replace Turnbull , who is about to be defeated as much by his own party as Rudd.
Labor who can lead, no idea once Robo John Robinson, well maybe still I can think of no other.
Both sides wait till the last second to unseat the leadership that screams NSW on both ides is indeed a basket case.
Nothing but harsh action now can save us, in my view little doubt exists things will get worse.
Conservatives will win, greens will control the upper house labor?
Yes economic times are tough but we can both cut costs and not too many jobs.
The contractors may on paper look good but are trouble in sand shoes, never keeping to safety or work out come standards, earn much more than contract price in extras.
Those hidden ties between contractors and salaried officers of government departments are infamous and shame my party.
Ministers unwilling to look at evidence that can not fail to prove wrongs under their noses, who just do not want to know.

belly stop flogging yourself about your party...its the game to think of it as your party...just as its the game to think of any footy team as 'your' team

the party system allways has been run by the public service/lawyers and bankers...who have found that division into us and them is best facilitated by people thinking themselves party loyalists

we should get to the ability to suport individuals..[not parties...to love particular players not teams/brands...we need to create current unity not past union or organisational afffiliations that blindly follow some party line

have you considered running for local govt yourself,chosing to form a new coalition of liberal labour left or liberal/lab green,or lib/lab conservative's or lib/lab socialists...

my poiint being that left wings/right wings of both parties have more in common with each other..than the parties that are both controlled by the elite

there are many people rebelling against the parties..[that are slowly evolving into one man/one woman dictatorships...we need labour friendly representation more than ever...as both parties take turns to screw the workers...

there must be a way to reform the party system's...because the current divisions are controlled and contrived by the same age old elite mens clubs running both parties

Belly
I sympathise. QLD does not look to be doing any better with the rush to privatise public assets. The corruption in Wollongong, backhander payments to governments from property developers - the list goes on.

Despite the ALP being borne of the union movement I do think unions should not be affiliated with any one party. Unions cannot hope to do their job of protecting workers while they are so closely wedded to the ALP. The business unions like the BCA lobby to both sides of government so I cannot see why the workers' unions cannot do the same.

The ALP moved more to the Right of politics for many reasons but its biggest failure was to expect the most vulnerable to bear the biggest burden of the financial crisis and failure to address the minimum wage.

Given the electoral system we have, it would be useful to have a few more independents and parties like the Australian Democrats (RIP) to ensure that the most vulnerable are protected and that party interests don't outweigh the interests of the people they represent. Thank goodness for the Greens and Senator Xenophon.

While from a different side of politics you even have to admire ol' Barnaby Joyce from time to time for calling a spade a spade even if occasionally it turns out to be a fork.

How can we as ordinary people make a difference? How can we change the current political landscape other than through our vote?

I watched Landline today and there was a great story about BlazeAid - a group of Victorians who have assisted bushfire victims to rebuild fences. One person when interviewed stated that when it comes down to it we cannot always depend on governments and sometimes the best way to get things done is via the community, friends, neighbours and volunteers. When governments drag their feet this is vital and I think a good thing to keep a sense of humanity about us.

New South Wales is a basket case because the Liberals abolished jury trials in New South Wales in 1970. Without accountability, corruption flourishes and will continue to do so. When Paul Keating’s government was defeated in 1996, we were doomed to twelve years of non stop corruption. If Kevin Christian Rudd, lives up to expectation and fixes the Federal Court of Australia and High Court, corruption will swiftly stop, the State will cease being broke, and Keating’s National Competition policy start to deliver benefits.

Lawyers in the Parliament of the Commonwealth are currently blocking reform of State Labor Governments, which would immediately occur if the Federal Court of Australia and State Supreme Court started to compete. Instead they are both cosy havens for corrupt officials, who can expect their lawyer mates to honor deals done on their behalf by lawyers. The Land and Environment Court is simply another corrupt Court, unconstitutional and dysfunctional. We have to get the capital C people out of Courts, and put little j judges in them to stop corruption.

Because there are no juries, dollars flow from the state to the ruling party, through dishonest tendering. A dissatisfied tenderer has no remedy. John Wilson is currently in jail, because this is what he wants. All he wants is jury trial, but where is the High Court. As usual out to lunch. The High Court is the highest court in New South Wales and every State. While it is a luncheon club, the Liberals could win the next State election. It may be that is what they want.

Belly if you can persuade your Labor mate Nathan Rees, to accept that Liberal Changes to the Supreme Court are the cause of all this corruption, and roll us back to 1969, as the High Court said we must in 1996, we will not have to put up with Liberal mismanagement after the next election.

He has the ball at his feet, and should kick ass. Lawyers are no friends of the Labor Party even when they join it to take advantage of workers support

Pelican I found I agree with most of your post, very much so in relation to unions not being tied to Labour.
A very left union is moving to wards the greens, and this time many even in my party may do the same.
Clearly such a move would be helpful, labor can not forever take the union movement, and we can not take labor, as our only choice.
PTB you worry me, I read your posts, but do you read mine?
How did you come to see Rees as my mate?
After ALP country conference I thought he was ok, for about ten minutes.
I have as little regard for him as I do Abbott, Pyne, Turnbull, Wilson Tucky and a host of others.
Fact is he is far more likely to harm the ALP than all of those.
Being too loyal to the ALP will kill unions, workers want Rudd, me too but NSW? A BASKET CASE.

“Once, well now in my dreams and hopes it was/is my life raft, in my mind the conservatives truly do not care for workers WORK CHOICES was just evidence of a lifelong understanding .”

So their policies would help workers. What is “Work choices” when said like that?

“Wealth in their view is only for some.”

I think most people do believe that. Except in Russia awhile ago.

“Do you know a former leader of the National party said money had found its way into the wrong hands after miners won big wage increases in WA ?”

What a prick.

“You have to live my life to know why my party is my life.”

Yes well of course.

“But never at any cost never no matter what, right now my mob plan a blood letting but its of workers not useless public servants.”

Belly I think I have missed exactly what is happening that has upset you. Is it the privatization or is it one particular one?

Belly
"workers want Rudd" Of cause! When they learned that Rudd's wife pressed her employees to sign personal agreements with worst conditions that the awards they feeled very proud for Rudd's family! From one they was against the workchoice from the other they grabed the opportunity from the workchoice to limit their enployees rights! Of cause workers love Rudd! Let's give Rudd the award of Jumpion in hypocricy!
Are you joking my friend? Rudd is the super hypocrite in the ALP and labour government. He has nothing to do with labours and the union movement. He is a milionaire and if you are ungry with NSW government I do not know how you will feel when Rudd shows us who realy he is. Wait my friend, wait do not be busy with Rudd.
Can you tell me why Rudd for so many years married, how with so much fight against the workchoice and he did not convinced his wife that workchoice is unfair? Rudd is extremely pasionate person for labours rights and NEVER spoke to his wife about them!
My friend you are Union officer and you know the bad conditions from the Australian Union movement. Can you tell me how many million dollars gave the Union movement to ALP? Can you tell me why the Union Movement gave all this money to ALP instead to use them for the Union members, for more organizers etc?
I am member of the Union but I am not supporter from ALP, there are many members of the Union but not supporters from the ALP. Can you tell me why part of our fees went to ALP when we are against it?
If the Australian Movement wants to become strong then it must care for its members and not for the ALP.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Dear Belly,

Cheer up Dear Friend. All is not lost.
In politics the only constant is change.

In NSW the Party's been in for 14 years,
which is a long time by anyone's standard.
There's been three Premiers,
each with their own agendas and
policies, Bob Carr, Morris Iemma, Nathan Rees.

I think even if the Party had performed perfectly
people would still want a change eventually.
That's the nature of politics.

As you pointed out earlier, the Party needs to
re-focus. It will, you'll see.

However, NSW is ready for a change after 14 years.

Foxy as usual you are quite right, but change for change sake need not be the only way.
We are going to have an earth quake change in NSW.
From your list I regard only Carr as a leader.
And pied piper, well my dismay at this mob, my mob goes back a bit.
The dreadful crime of Woolongong, the power sell out, I could write one hundred pages.
But yes, privatization drives me too.
IT IS BETRAYAL! it is blindness, policy's say government wants to create a stable group of say road builders and other contractors , to eventually see full privatization .
Believe me its true, at briefings they told me , we know it may cost more in the short run.
But the end justifies the means.
And they help it , contractors in sand shoes turn up and half do the job, get paid more to do less.
Surveillance is blind not interested in work out comes.
Public service? it is not a wanted outcome,, stop at road side toilet, not good at any time, but the one done by contract is third world, and at luxury cost.
Once we created jobs now we sell workers out and put badly treated casual laborers in the job, high profits for grub employers, dreadful hopeless work life for some .
Our best hope?
New leadership and yes a change of government, my party has failed its grass roots forgotten its birth place.
And the foxes in the ALP chook house are NSW public servants who in all probability ever ever vote Labor in any case.

Politics has mostly been a dirty business, but most people today do not really understand why the British Monarch survived from 1215, until today, with only a brief eleven year Republic between 1649 and 1660. They got a republic between 1649 and 1660, because they had an idiot Roman Catholic King, who believed he was anointed by Almighty God, and even though the Parliament had told him in 1640 to back off, he more ofr less refused and they cut his head off and installed a violent vindictive Protestant as Lord Protector.

Since 1970, the Liberals have considered themselves the anointed by Almighty God Party, and that their leader had the same divine right as the King who lost his head. With the large influx of Europeans after World War II most of them came from Republics where the President had succeeded to the concept of a Divine Right of a President, and see nothing wrong with a Republic.

I see someone attacking Kevin Rudd. Kevin Rudd won because he was able to prise the rusted on Christian vote, away from the Liberal Party. He did this by pointing out the Christians stand for justice. He did this by telling anyone who would listen that the great Labor Leaders, who got the best working conditions for workers, were all Christians, and convincing a majority of Christians that it was alright to vote Labor. Labor federally was not a monster.

What is wrong with New South Wales today is the idea that the Premier is Almighty God or as near to him as it gets. The idea that in politics control of the Parliament is the same as being Almighty God. This is what happens when a man or woman gets half an education. I say half an education because if they got a complete education they would understand why it is that the United Kingdom still has a monarch. Its because until some time after World War II they had universal jury trials, and it was constitutionally guaranteed just like it is in the Good Ole United States of America

Since we are on the Divine Right of Kings, way back in Queensland, between 1950 and 1960, in Primary School, the basics of politics was taught to every child. Half way between 1950 and 1960, about 1952, we had a new Queen crowned, and the Liberal Party started to make Prime Ministers and Premiers into the Divine Kings, that they craved to establish what they thought was to be a benevolent dictatorship.

Queensland had forty years of Labor Governments with a short three year break, while an idiot Liberal Premier ruled, between 1917 and 1957. They lost government when a faction in the Labor Party so alienated the Christian vote, that a splinter group was formed, mostly from Roman Catholics that kept Labor out of power until 1989. By 1989, the Liberal/National Party had almost succeeded in taking over the State and had become so corrupted since 1984, that they were by now almost completely unaccountable, to the electorate between elections.

Joh Bjellke was a benevolent dictator, but he knew his limitations. He listened to some imbeciles whose craving for power knew no bounds, and was on the slopes by 1984, when to stifle criticism, the Parliament of Queensland enacted the Vexatious Litigant legislation. Joh understood that the Divine Right of Kings, was subject to the right of everyone to take a proceeding in a Political Forum, at any time and call the Government to account. That Political Forum was a court. It could be called together in any of the provincial cities, and could and did judicially review the government at any time.

Please note the politically correct absence of a capital letter on the two words court and judicially, because these are the way that these words are written in both the Holy Bible where the word court is used, and in the Australian Constitution where judges is used in Ch III Constitution. To understand what I am talking about, could you have a look at this link, where Lionel Murphy has a quote. http://www.community-law.info/?page_id=238

You will find materials there no longer used or taught in Universities

I am a political refugee from Queensland, where the Dictator Joh, introduced Section 102A-C of the Justices Act 1886, to destroy the accountability of the government to the people. He did this to stop private people putting in train, the criminal arm of the judicial system. It gives lawyers absolute control of the State. This happened after 1984, and Queensland has been a dictatorship ever since.

When I came to New South Wales to go to university here after finding the University in Queensland I was attending to be bigoted and unfair, I discovered that in New South Wales it was still possible to begin a private prosecution, and in 2002, I started one to call the Chief Justice of the High Court to account for judicial corruption. It almost caused a panic.

The Federal Liberal Government sent a lawyer to intimidate the magistrate, and the magistrate obliged by dismissing the charge without trial. There is no doubt Murray Gleeson was guilty. There is no doubt that had he been indicted as should have happened, he would have been convicted. So the Chief Justice still enjoys his pension, but should have been fined.

It was the Labor Party Federally who killed the Private Prosecution. Bob Hawke, who was better at drinking than governing, was persuaded to give the Director of Public Prosecutions of the Commonwealth power to take over and discontinue any Private Prosecution not started by the Government itself. This is S 9.5 of the Director of Public Prosecutions Act 1983. This provision has been used every time a Judge has been the subject of a private prosecution. Every Judge is a criminal. Every Judge who sits without a jury is an offender, offending parts of Ch III Crimes Act 1914 ( Cth) and parts of the Criminal Code Act 1995 ( Cth) . There are Judges in all New South Wales Courts, but no civil judges anymore, as mandated by s 79 Constitution.

So Belly, if Nathan Rees wants to continue to govern, and I think he is a very decent fellow, ask him to restore juries

Dear Belly,

I agree with you. The Party in NSW needs new
Leadership - and to re-focus. But I have no
qualms that this will happen. Politics is
about winning, afterall. (That's something
that the Libs still need to learn - i.e.
to get a new Leader, and better organized).
Things come in cycles - and we learn from our
mistakes (hopefully). Usually, the next round
should be better, and stronger.
Fingers crossed for NSW.

When I got to Sydney in 2002, I detected a major criminal with lots of money, of Jewish descent, who had just sold a business for $100,000,000 treating a poor hard working merchant badly, in one of his Shopping Centres. There are laws in New South Wales that make such conduct illegal, so bold as brass, I went into the Downing Centre in the city, and filed a Private Complaint. All hell broke loose. The offender employed Clayton Utz, the hunter killer law firm, to haul me into the Supreme Court before Justice James, to have the complaint dismissed. The noted atheist barrister Brett Walker was engaged to persuade Justice James to dismiss the complaint. He succeeded but had to call in favors.

I had laid the charge under a provision of the Crimes Act 1914 ( Cth). I was alleging that the criminal had attempted to pervert the course of justice in respect of the judicial power of the Commonwealth. By using a corrupt State Judge, to deny access to justice to a hard working merchant, I alleged that the judicial power of the Commonwealth was engaged, because in 1996, the High Court in the Kable case, had said there is only one judicial power in the whole Commonwealth.

Four out of seven constitutes a binding majority, Kable was entirely a State resident, but the High Court said the Constitution applied to him, and when the Constitution was pleaded there was only one judicial power of the Commonwealth. Kable won. It should have totally reprogrammed the Australian judicial system, and altered the way courts did business, but I am still waiting thirteen years later.

Anyway Justice James rejected my arguments, the bloke I was trying to help was bankrupted by Clayton Utz for costs orders obtained in a State Court, and the judicial power of the Commonwealth is still completely corrupted. Belly if you can persuade Nathan Rees to restore jury trial as of right, in New South Wales you will fix the whole of Australia. We should enjoy life free of Judge criminals, and political despots. Your call

Foxy again I agree, here in my view is the next ten years events in NSW politics.
Rudd is aware the NSW center unity group of the ALP is vital for federal elections, he must be concerned.
At the same time he will understand his vote is assured in this state.
The ALP is dead in NSW as far as the next ten years goes,nobody wants to lead.
Some one will step up, in both party's.
Greens are going to get the best election results they ever had, not because of popularity, but because Labor is lost.
That ten years will see a battle like no other to bring ALP back to reality, I do not look to wards my part in it.
NO EASY JOB.
NSW is also intent on punishing Gillard and Rudd, not voting ALP is going to be that way of saying not happy Kev, yet he will walk in this election.
It never had to be like this, governments can be very long term, party's need not bog down in self interest and in fighting, but my party did.
I fear the fact we owe so very much, that not just former unionists but former politicians get government contracts at the same time as loyal workers doing a good job, get the Axe.
Ten years from this day, my party bought to its knees by self interest and slothfulness , will be hardened by that fire and just maybe rebuilding toward government , 3 terms of conservatives, a gift from idiots in my party.

My side of the fence will look and say gee Belly you are giving it to us, look at the opposition.
That is my point, never have Liberals had worse leadership, this state or federal.
But in NSW they could run a monkey from our zoo and win in a landslide.
Barry the blind silly man who voted to stop schools being rated, what for, to support teachers fed?
Lefty's lost in a space of their own, and poor Barry.
May I address Liberal head quarters?
Get a bag,a very big bag, get Nick Grenier bring him bag and all, back to lead.
Guess what? recycle the bag, take poor Barry and a few out the back door , its your time, you have won a year before the vote.
Why not put some who can read and write in your team?

Belly are you so despondent because you know the banks have the State of New South Wales by the proverbials. I heard scuttlebutt recently from the potential replacement for Nathan Rees, that the New South Wales Government would like to reform the system but the banks won’t let them.

There is currently a political prisoner in a New South Wales Prison, called John Wilson, whose major crime is that he wants the restoration of jury trials, and has been unable to get one yet. John is held under the Mental Health Act, without trial or bail, and can be held for up to forty days. He is as far as can be ascertained in Silverwater. John has been campaigning for jury trials in New South Wales for about ten years, and it could be longer, but made the mistake of saying he would burn down his former dentists surgery, if that was the only way to get a jury trial. The authorities say that is a symptom of insanity. It could simply be passion.

The restoration of jury trials was almost accomplished in 2002. Three Court of Appeal Judges, Priestley JA Handley JA Giles JA decided that we in New South Wales had as of right to have a choice of mode of trial, and jury was one of them. It went to the High Court two years later, and in 2002 in Gerlach v Clifton Bricks Pty Ltd [2002] HCA 22 an appeal against that decision was allowed but should not have been.

It was decided three to two with Kirby and Callinan strongly in dissent, and Gaudron, McHugh and Hayne in the majority, but the problem is that had Gaudron and McHugh followed their previous pronouncements made in the Kable case in 1996, they would have had to agree with the three Judges of appeal, and Kirby and Callinan, and restored jury trials to New South Wales. No one will ever know what pressure was put on Justices Gaudron and McHugh not to follow their previous ruling.

Of eight appeal Judges, five agreed jury trial was a right

When Kevin Rudd started his campaign to oust John Howard, his first step was to court the Christian vote. He was pretty certain the rusted on usual thirty percent of voters would stick with Labor no matter who was leader, because after all Latham had been leading by the same margin Rudd won by, only seven weeks before the 2004 election. It will be the same in New South Wales, and while the Greens will get a protest vote, except in a seat like Balmain, they are unlikely to get ahead of Labor in the Primary vote, the votes for them will flow back to the Labor party.

What Kevin took from the Liberals was the monopoly they previously enjoyed in appeal to the Christian vote, which neither Kim Christian Beazley, or Mark Latham was prepared to court. This was what brought 23 seats across the House. You must realize that the Christians in Australia are 65% of the population, and without their support no one can govern.

Christianity is the foundation of democracy. That is why Iran is so bent on suppressing democracy, and reducing it to an acceptable majority vote every few years. The Muslim rulers of Iran, can live with a partial democracy, but not with a full democracy, and it seems that the labor leaders of New South Wales, are either in hock personally to the banks, or so afraid of them, that they are not prepared to examine the evidence, and say the Liberals are anti-Christian, and the servants of the banks.

The Liberal attack on Christianity was funded by a Jewish Gangster. The evidence of that has only emerged since his death in 2006. This same Jewish Gangster probably had his tentacles into Justice McHugh, and Justice Gaudron, and they were probably not game to restore full democracy to New South Wales.

The attendances at one evangelical church in Sydney alone, exceeds the combined membership of the Australian Labor Party and Liberal Parties combined on any given weekend. The impact throughout the State will be enormous. Christianity believes in democracy and justice calls

I am a friend of an old Labor Stalwart, who told me of the inter faith brawling that used to occur within the Labor Party, and how Party meetings would divide between Roman Catholics and Anglicans. This division in the house of Labor, allowed the Liberals to sneak into power occasionally, defeated the Labor Government in Queensland, in 1957, for over thirty-two years, and kept Menzies in power for far longer than would otherwise have been the case.

It was only just that Labor defeated the Liberals federally in 1972, because the Liberals in New South Wales destroyed Christianity in New South Wales in 1970. Today there is a new ecumenicalism spreading throughout the community, with the major ecumenical advocate being the largest church in Sydney, which continues to grow apace, and continues to satisfy its members. It does not endorse any political party, as such but the philosophies of Christianity are more compatible with those of the Labor party than those of the Liberals.

Christianity means democracy. Democracy demands the separation of Church and State. This comes directly from the teachings of Jesus Christ; In John 5 Verses 22 and 23, where judgment is vested in Jesus Christ. In the Book of Matthew Jesus Christ is the King/Judge, and John 5 confirms that, but Jesus Christ himself was a humble man, and had no wish to judge his fellow men.

Jesus Christ as the Son of God, divested himself of the power of judgment, and in Luke 12 verse 10, vested all judgment in the Holy Spirit. All Christians believe God knows what is in a persons heart. To enable the Holy Spirit to remain with us while he is away, Jesus Christ stated that when two or more are gathered in His name, his Spirit is there among them. This is the basis of jury trial, and democracy. Since everyone knows what is in his own heart, and the Holy Spirit knows too, he or she is unwilling to face a jury trial, and 95% of civil jury trials settle out of court. The Prince of Peace reigns

Peter,

Going off on a tangent here, I'm not so sure that Christianity means Democracy. Christianity was primarily about justice. So, whatever serves justice is Christian, whether achieved by a majority jury trial or by an individual judge who passes a just ruling. What you’re saying is that having a number of people making a decision is more likely to mitigate against tyranny. True. But, juries can also make mistakes, particularly when it is only 11-1 for a murderer (who really did do it) being convicted and the trial aborted as a result. In other words, democracy is still not sufficient to ensure justice. In a case where there is a hung jury on a genuinely guilty party, justice would actually be more likely served by a sole magistrate.

To continue on a more religious/mystical bent, an Abbott called Joachim of Fiore in the 13th century taught about the coming of the Third Age, Chapter or Epoch (whose meaning Hitler distorted via his Third Reich) as being the time when justice would actually be lived out. To quote Wikipedia, Joachim distinguished between the "reign of justice" or of "law" in an imperfect society, and the "reign of freedom" in a perfect society. When that time comes, our current concept of democracy will become redundant.

This was the fundamental disagreement between Luther and Rome, that led to the Reformation in 1517 and the establishment of the Lutheran Church. The English had arrived at the same conclusion earlier, in 1215, much to the Pope’s discombobulation. In fact he was so discombobulated that he revoked it in 1216. The English nevertheless continued it and it became statute Law in 1297, with the Magna Carta. For a discussion by William Penn in 1670 on how this makes for democracy, see this link. http://www.community-law.info/?page_id=368

One hundred years later Lord Chatham explained it again, in this link. http://www.community-law.info/?page_id=365

The common thinking that democracy is discharged by an election every three years, is a fallacy. Democracy demanded and got continual accountability under Christianity, because it was accepted that anything not in accordance with God’s law, was not law, and the Christians had replaced arbitrary judges with two or more gathered together. The translation of Ecclesia from the Greek as Church, in the King James Version of Matthew 18 Verse 17, is interchangeable with the constitution of a court, under the Magna Carta. Ecclesia means a gathering of the people, and while the King had a Court, with a Capital letter, the people had courts of commoners, without a capital letter.

This is the basis of Abraham’s assertion in his book The JUDICIAL PROCESS that Judicial review is the ultimate power. We have not had Christian Judicial Review since 1970 in New South Wales. While S 71 Constitution provides legitimate Judicial review by requiring a Chief Justice and two others in the Federal Supreme Court, to comply with Matthew 18 verse 20, we have not had that legality since about 1977.

All this I will give you if you will just bow down and worship me, is in Matthew 4 verse 9 but that is Satan talking, not Jesus Christ

The thread like every one has to end, I find it is lost no longer even remotely what I thought it was about.
However while we bog down in the weird belief in Christ, the idea man is not in control, or is to blame for ignoring a non existent God.
What a dead end street.
I have even been told why I am upset.
Or why it does not matter.
The idea we should not talk religion or politics, not here in OLO but every place.
Is blindness, we MUST talk about both openly, not give both a blanket to hide the truth under.
I wrote this thread because my party is getting progressively worse in my state.
Because with the worst EVER opposition, they can not win the coming election.
I wanted to stand up for my party.
For the workers who are again and again stamped on.
BY my party.
We all push our wheel barrows, and we all ,yes me too get a bit far from reality sometimes.
But this thread if reviewed ten years from now will baffle the reader, what was the subject?
Just a hint fellow posters.
IF we all looked at the party of our choice.
If we cared more about outcomes than victory at any price.
Just maybe our party's would be what we think they should be.
A new leader is coming in NSW if it is not next month?
The Castor oil for NSW ALP will be a very big serving, so big in time the party may even return to its roots, just maybe.

Read this true story, tell me it is not true, my state is indeed a basket case.
Sitting in a yard in Newcastle ready for delivery and work are 5 brand new road mower slashers.
Top of the line dressed in RTA colors and proudly wearing that logo.
Next week, they will be spirited back to Sydney, for sale, unused, to whom?
Well also next week, in Newcastle, a pre tender meeting will take place.
For?
One of the 4 new contracts to slash and mow? RTA roads!
At what cost?
Some may find it unthinkable, but some ex RTA people, not lowly out door people, are doing very well thank you, contracting back to? the RTA.
If NSW is to save money may I help? cut the management that wastes so often so much, not services not workers, not safety.