pelican
"but the availability of water, climate and amount of arable fertile land for agriculture"
1. We need a better water managment system to save the flood waters, The oceans are full of water we need more and bigger desalination plants, which guaranteed water supply independent of rainfall or climate change.

2. About the arable fertile land , if you ckeck the size of our arable land with other countries you will find that our arable land is many times bigger from other countries with bigger population.
The problem is that about 42% of the Australian land mass is under pastoral leases. Many of the leases were issued unchecked to land speculators and were never occupied or developed. We must use this land with a better way, we must miximise the benefits from this land.
http://www.nlc.org.au/html/land_native_wik.html

3. Banjo, "Many experts say we have over populated now." Rubish! you can find any kind of experts to say any kind of stupid things you want to listen, you know that! We are lucky! We will benefit from the overpopulation in other countries, The golden years for Australia will come after 60-70 years! Until then we must increase our population and use the maximum of our land and OF CAUSE TO IMPROVE OUR DEFENCE SYSTEM! Australia needs more than 100 milion population to be a strong country, I hope Australian governments will continue to bring more and more migrants ignoring voices like yours!

4. Ludwig I understand your worries about the environment but you do not care very much for migrants, refugees and for A STRONG AUSTRALIA! Comparing with other countries we are in good position, UK covers ONLY 30% of its needs and they do not discuss for overpopulation and we, 21 millions in a whole continent, worry for overpopulation? For me the main goals of our governments should be the improvement of our water systems, better use of the Crown Land- pastoral leases, increase of our population to be around 100 milions after 50-60 years and of cause the promotion of understanding and cooperation between Australians.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

“and OF CAUSE TO IMPROVE OUR DEFENCE SYSTEM! Australia needs more than 100 milion population to be a strong country,”

Ant

I’m ignorant on defence matters, however, commonsense tells me that bigger is not better and anyhow, what chance would 100 million Australians have against Indonesia’s 200 million, China’s 1.3 billion or even Pakistan’s 174 million (and rapidly expanding?) What's more the angry hordes would have to dodge our military coastal surveillance before invading our shores.

No Ant – I daresay hand to hand combat and the jolly old bayonet is redundant since the emergence of sophisticated WMD.

Perhaps you will ponder Israel’s position and ask how many wars, intifadas or conflicts they’ve had since 1948? About 12 from memory and Israel has a trivial 7.5 million people.

I find it fascinating to learn that a nation with 7.5 million people can defend itself in the face of so much adversity (with the exception of suicide bombers of course,) so you see Ant, size doesn’t matter. It’s how you use it old chap!

Antonious, if you think about it for a while, it will eventually
hit you that Australia actually belongs to the kangaroos, koala bears
and myriad of other Australian species which were here long before us.
We humans have simply stolen large chunks of it from them.

You might not be aware either, that alot of it, especially in the
West, is extremely old and clapped out soil, with few nutrients
left.

The days of large numbers of people winning wars are long gone. Today
its all about electronics, smart bombs etc, not how many people
live somewhere. So your "strong Australia" argument is a furphy.

Now you might not be so keen on nature, but if you go out into those
areas not overrun with humans, what you find is in fact great
beauty! All sorts of species, living their lives as nature intended.

Why you would want to overrun it all with ever more humans, which
already overcrowd the planet, robbing other species of space to live,
tells me that you can't be in touch with nature in any way.

Its a moral argument I know and there is no objective morality,
but I am of the firm conviction that we need to leave parts of this
planet for other species too, not just wall to wall humans.

Australian species are unique and were here long before us humans.
I think we should respect that and give them their space. We've
taken a big enough chunk of the place for ourselves, as it is

Antonios,
I think you said you have been in Aus for 16 years. It is hard to believe that any person could be here for that length of time and be so bloody ignorant.

Not only me but others here have tried to give you factual information but you simply refuse to take any of it in. You will not listen but stick to your own silly notions that you have dreamt up.

Your ideas and statements have no foundation what so ever.

You are a stupid self opinionated fool.

It is a bit sad that you will never learn, even a little. But then ignorance is bliss.

i advise you..who think it over crowded here..get your flue shot when the govt mandates you to take it...there are plans affoot to cure the world of useless eaters...

mainly because as your own posts reveal..life is cheap....keep talking..you may get the solution earlier than you realise...

know when it comes..posts such as yours..gave the true evil..the heart to murder...your words do more than you realise...all of you so clever with words...yet so careless of others lives...bravo you heroes

yes the title is apt...the problem really is fools such as you

Banjo,
Thank yopu Banjo, we desagree because we have different goals, You are interested for the CLEAN RACE, OTHERS FOR CLEAN ENVIRONMENT AND ME FOR STRONG AUSTRALIA!

Protagoras The Israel without USA support and without the UK to give everything for their nuclear weapons it could be desappeared long time ego. It has problems and soon it will be a minority. We need more population for many reasons, including our defence.

Yabby, I am glad to see you green! for how many hours my friend?