Rudd recently reduced Australia’s immigration intake, by a tiny token amount, after strong pressure from some unions and business groups. The argument was that immigrants take the jobs of established citizens.

But hold on, by Rudd’s reckoning, immigrants increase economic growth. That’s the reason he greatly boosted the immigration rate as soon as he got into power, isn’t it?

So surely when the economy is in a downturn, the thing to do is boost immigration further, which would create more jobs, wouldn’t it? And then reduce it when the economy’s booming!

Yeah right! Ah, these manic pro-growthers just don’t know what they’re on about!

So what is the real reason Rudd, and Howard, etc have imposed high immigration upon us?

Well….because of the vested interest that big business has in constantly increasing markets and productivity…and the very cosy relationship that government has with big business.

It’s as simple as that….isn’t it?

This also explains why government is so loathe to seriously talk about the issue of population growth.

It all comes down to the most incredible corruption, as discussed in the other two general threads that I’ve started recently:

Gordon Nuttall guilty of corruption. Political parties innocent!
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2925 and

Political donations – corruption of enormous proportions!
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=294

Ludwig

I believe that Pelican has summarised the situation perfectly:

"I personally think Australians are ready and willing for discussion about human population and effects on resources and environment.

It is not only about how best to share and use resources but about the impact of continued and unchecked population growth."

But government and big business are not listening; which would be understandable to some extent if they were aliens from planet X intent on exploiting Earth - but:

They ARE us.

Scary.

Fractelle,
You, Pelican and Ludwig are right. It is past time that we discussed immigration and population policy. The major parties have an agreement NOT to discuss immigration, which suits them and business fine.

Politicians are supposed to represent us but, after elections, ignore us. Wonder why they get little respect from us!

to quote as

the number of children born...per woman
...decreased....

from 5.02 to 2.65 between 1950 and 2005.>>

its funny and sad that people ignore the facts
and keep on beating up the excuse that leads to eugenics

but to return to the quote being so cleverly ignored

<<Europe BIRTH RATE FELL from...2.66 to 1.41
North America FELL FROM...3.47 to 1.99

Oceania 3.87 to 2.30
Central America 6.38 to 2.66
South America 5.75 to 2.51

Asia (excluding Middle East) 5.85 to 2.43
Middle East & North Africa 6.99 to 3.37
Sub-Saharan Africa 6.7 to 5.53

why are people keeping to their adgendas
adgendas that can only result in murder[eugenics]

can only result in racists getting comfort
from blaming scape goats...[immagrants]

can only result in govt turning to mass murder...or more racist bigotry...or other marxist solutions...great cut imagration

[then expell all you loud mouth imagrants...
[if your not black go home]

if your not born here
[if your parents arnt born here
[if your not black ...YOUR an imagrant

face facts you ....lot of im-mag-rants
try to keep your ignorance in check...
lest it become ...let ye without the black face go home

That has got to be the weirdest little glitch of the century - the way the last character disappears when you cut and paste into the new post preview box.

This time it corrupted the link to my general thread: Political donations – corruption of enormous proportions! Here’s the correct link: http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2945

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Fractelle, Pelican,

"I personally think Australians are ready and willing for discussion about human population and effects on resources and environment.”

Absolutely. They have been for a long time.

In 1994, we had the very comprehensive Inquiry into Australia’s Population Carrying Capacity, chaired by Barry Jones. It triggered a large number of submissions, from individuals to big companies, and received a high profile in the media.

So yes, the public is well and truly ready for this issue to be fully and openly discussed.

By the way, the outcome of that inquiry was comprehensively in favour of stabilising our population at about 23 million.

So what did the government do? Well of course they stuck it on the shelf and forgot about it!

The essence of the debate has been had. We don’t need to revisit that stuff. Essentially nothing has changed since 1994, except that our population is considerably larger and the growth rate is higher, which means that the urgency in dealing with the issue is a whole lot greater.

I can understand why the liblabs have resisted this debate and gone against this inquiry. But Bob Brown and his Greens (or pseudogreens) and the old fairies at the bottom of the garden who were supposed to be keeping the bastards honest, have also been utterly dismal over the intervening years in pushing for the incumbent government and the opposition to be accountable for their policy of ridiculously high population growth and never-ending expansionism, and to remember the findings of the 1994 inquiry.

Ludwig, Banjo
My good friends I do not understand you! 21 milion people in a whole continent and you shamelessly speak for overpopulation!
I like the jokes my friends but what kind of jokes are yours?
Why do not say anything for better water managment, why do not say anything for more water dams or lakes to save our flooded waters, to protect our properties from flood waters, to irrigate our land to make it more productive? Why do not say anything for more and bigger desalination plants which guaranteed water supply independent of rainfall or climate change?
Ludwig, Banjo, my good friends are you sure that you are worried for the resources and our environment and not because you are against migrants and refugees?
There are so many ways to improve our resources and our environment why do you stack against migrants and refugees?
Are you against migrants and refugees and you try to find excuses to block them?
I do not know my good friends but I think you hide your real goals!
Is it so difficult to tell to us the truth? I suspect that your crusade against migrants and refugees have to do with some privileges but I am not sure.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaid