Master

Very few students pay for their education, so in essence, it is free to them. If I buy a drink and give it to you, then it's free,to you. This is what I mean.

Look at rehctub's spelling. I will save this one till last. *

Regarding children leaving home.
I don't dispute genuine cases.

On the other hand, we can all find some type of truma in our past and use this as an excuse. Let's face it, most of us decended from convicts, but we're not all criminals now are we!

Rehctub wrote, " Have I mentioned anywhere that the minimum wage should be reduced
Yes, I will conceed that one.

Rehctub, you're dismissed from class: Score, FAILED
I have never claimed to be well educated and in fact, I was told by one of my teachers that I would be a 'failure in life'. Now, I just wish you could have seen the look on his face when I arrived at the school reunion in my porsce 911. It was priceless!

By the way I achieved a junior pass, just!

During my 20 years in business I have created over 300 jobs, remained married for 24 years, raised two great kids (better educated than me), donated in excess of $100,000 to local comunities (including free breakfasts for less fortunate kids) and free food for homeless street kids and set my family up quite well.

My kids have a start in life and are well educated. The rest is up to them as an education is only the begining, it's lifes choices that determine your faith in many cases.

Now if this constitutes failure, then so be it.

The fact remains that if I can do it with my obviously limmited education, then anyone can.

I didn't work a 9 to 5 mon to fri job by the way!

p.s. * Now if you can raed tihs it poorvs taht sellpnig is oervaetd.

Manners and respect on the other hand are free. Notice I have not insulted you one bit. Rather makes you look a tad silly,hey!

Every person on the minimum wage has two monkeys on his back. Those monkeys are the Commonwealth and whatever State he or she lives in, and those monkeys are there, because seven people, three women and four men, getting close to the highest government salaries in Australia live in a state of fear. They live in a rightly perceived State of Fear, because the only reason they get their pay packet every week, is the good will of Robert McClelland. He is the Labor Attorney General. He could at any time use the provisions of legislation passed by Paul Keating’s government to get rid of what Paul called scumbags.

I talk of S 268:10 and 268:12 Criminal Code Act 1995 ( Cth . These abolish slavery, and make it a twenty five years in prison offence, and the failure to apply the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights carries a seventeen year sentence. Instead of enforcing this legitimately enacted and published law, McClelland has had one of his mates, Father Frank Brennan roaming the country at government expense telling us the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights is not a law.

Monkeys are an exotic animal and should be only seen in zoos. However this thread shows that there are both kinds of monkeys, on the shoulders of every working man and woman in Australia. That the minimum wage imposes a burden on employers of at least $20 an hour, is accepted as true. That twenty dollars an hour should be going straight into the pocket of the person who earned it, not stolen by the State and Federal Governments.

You are being robbed blind, because the highest paid public servants, for all their education cannot or will not read. You are being robbed blind because the highest paid public servants are not Christians. You are being robbed blind because there are none so blind as those who will not see, and because all Judges are pagans, they cannot see that the ultimate unforgivable sin is to be a Judge. A Judge commits blasphemy sitting without a jury

“Very few students pay for their education, so in essence, it is free to them.” If that is what you meant then I don’t quite see your point. Very few pay for their clothes or their food either…so are these too “in essence” free?

Or are you talking about Tertiary education? In which case every student (unless they have a wealthy, Porsche-driving daddy) starts off their working life with a huge debt hanging over their head and compulsory repayments taken from their earnings.

Although you have said a number of times that you “don’t dispute genuine cases” you seem to think that there are very few genuine cases.

I’m guessing that you merely skimmed over my post in which I listed the many ways in which someone can be robbed of the opportunity to advance themselves. All of those represent not just ONE kid but thousands, taken all together.

I said earlier that you were “justly proud” of your accomplishments. You have taken many opportunities in this forum to list your accomplishments and how far you have come. But there comes a point when an understandable pride can become intolerant smugness.

O.k., you’ve encountered, or heard about, people who rort the system But to then assume that they represent the majority of poor people is unfair. Or do you think you are the only one who has managed to rise above things?

Its simply the case that you, and other people like you, are not the subject of as many newspaper articles or tv docos as the other kind.

In some ways your posts read as if you have never stopped being poor despite your expensive car and your business and your property holdings and all the trappings. You seem to want to shake the dust of your more humble beginnings from your feet and to put as much distance as possible between the underprivileged and you, by stressing, in so many posts, how different you are from them

<<<...and to put as much distance as possible between the underprivileged and you, by stressing, in so many posts, how different you are from them...>>>

Romany I do believe you have found the source for rechtub's zealotry; like a reformed smoker or born-again Christian he expounds relentlessly on the failures of those who do not behave or believe as he does.

Claiming that he does not endorse a reduction in minimum wage, one has to ask why start this thread at all? Blaming a worker for earning nothing more than the minimum wage appears to be a sport which he shares with the anachronistic Col Rouge.

Should the minimum wage be any higher? Well if it is not keeping pace with the CPI then yes, indeed, it should. There is no gain for the economy when people cannot pay their rent, mortgage or buy food or clothing if their wages are held in stasis while prices escalate. Nor is there any chance for change if a low-skilled worker wishes improve their prospects through further education if it remains beyond their means.

The pattern emerging from rechtub's many discussion threads is one of justifying his desire to hold low standards, rights and wages to his employees by using straw-man arguments to bolster his belief that impoverished people deserve their circumstances.

PS

The car you claim to drive, rechtub, is spelled 'PORSCHE' 911 and guzzles fossil fuel BTW. So if you thought to impress, you failed.

Rehctub wrote, "The fact remains that if I can do it with my obviously limited education, then anyone can".

Master replies: NOT SO!
Everyone has "different" abilities. Some of the best educated people are the least self sufficient. . . AND . . . some of the worst educated people are the least self sufficient as well: And amongst BOTH these classes of people we have those who are extremely self sufficient. There's a thousand and one different reasons why people succeed, and a thousand and one reasons why people fail: And there's many different definitions of success, and many different definitions of failure: One person's "success" can very easily be another person's "failure". Just because YOU can do a certain thing DOES NOT mean "anyone" can do it. Your "belief" that "anyone" can (just because "you" can), displays a serious lack of insight.

Here's some easy examples:

One person may play the guitar quite nicely after just one month's practice, whereas another person might practice diligently for life and never reach the same standard.

One person might study hard for an exam and fail, whereas another person might do little study and pass that exam.

One person might have established wonderful steps for a successful life, but then be struck down by bi polar disorder, and end up on the streets. Whereas, another person might be utterly irresponsible regarding the future, and not get a neurological disoder, and go on to succeed (it happens).

In other words rechtub, you can believe in all the stereotypes you wish - - - BUT,

"REAL" life is different.

Fractelle “Blaming a worker for earning nothing more than the minimum wage appears to be a sport which he shares with the anachronistic Col Rouge.”

I blame no worker for anything but you are entitled to corrupt what I say in whatever way you want and I will repeatedly correct your morally bankrupt views.

Actually, “anachronistic” is a compliment when vomited up from an obviously under-achieving malignant.

The older, well tried values, which tend to be labeled “anachronistic” by some, reminds me of something else I have often heard....

Why do socialists change the name of their policies and beliefs so frequently (whilst claiming the long held and commonly described values of their opponents are “anachronistic”)?”

It is because the socialist experiments in engineering always fail so rapidly and frequently, that they are abandoned and another dead-duck policy (ETS) is then hailed as the new universal panacea, designed to make everything “perfect” for everyone, in this, a most “imperfect” world.

Master “One person might study hard for an exam and fail, whereas another person might do little study and pass that exam.….

I have commented often, I have an ability to develop software products but cannot play the piano. but mine is a fair analogy and underscores the value of diversity which individualism strives to encourage, versus the “enforced equality” of socialism. I take full credit and derive great personal value (in esteem as well as materially) from my skill and assume the pianist does the same, ensuring his reward is commensurate with his musical skill and the market demand for that skill.

Imho, I believe rechtub’s attitude is the reason he succeeds.

Attitude, is not taught in school, it is acquired by observation and relies on the values of determination, endurance, persistence and self-reliance to succeed, rather than adopting the “poor-me”, “gimme a safety net” demands of the indolent and self-apologists who commonly rank among the socialists of this world.

I would also like to think I have a similar attitude