Better luck next time Rehctub.

One thing that is not often understood by the unions is that the cost to a company of an employee's wages is about 2/3 of the total cost of employment.

The other costs include:
1 Super,
2 Payroll tax.
3 Other compulsory costs,
4 And last but not least the costs in dealing with the new IR laws.

Labor states brought in 2 and federal labor brought back 4.

If labor really cared about creating jobs they could work on items 2 and 4 and the lowest paid workers could take home more without the employer having to find it.

Family Assistance is given to foster parents but means tested on the foster parent’s income.

Some foster kids don’t get the same monies coming their way as the ones who have been placed with foster parents on a benefit.

The NGO foster parents get up to twice as much in allowances funded by DoCS plus if on a benefit as well they get the full FA handed to them by Centrelink.

Some Charity Homes get funded for having kids whether kids are in the beds or not plus they charge the teenagers rent and make them pay for their own food and clothing because the kids are on benefits while also being in foster care and pretty much have money to burn at a young age.

To place some kids DoCS will pay a “care +1” allowance (which is extra monies designated for “difficult” children or children with a disability) in order to convince a foster parent to take on another child.

The amounts of money going in several directions are huge and unjustified as far as I can see. Some departments could save this country millions if they decided to.

I’m guessing if they were more sensible with their budgets this would then reduce the tax required and minimum wage may not be as painful compared with the Centrelink benefits?

Master replies: Affordable, yes. Free - - - NO. There's NO SUCH THING

Given the fact that very few students pay for their education, as it is funded by someone else, then I would consider it as free!

Master replies: Gee imagine that. A girl gets raped by her father

Now you're being a complete dill if you think this is your typical case. Simply a devirsion- Nice try. It has more to do with the 'do-gooders' telling kids they have rights than anything else.

Master replies: The after tax minimum wage is around $482 for a full working week. Anything even NEAR that low IS a "mere existence".

Have I mentioned anywhere that the minimum wage should be reduced.
You are a dead set 'toss' mate!

Now I agree the minimum wage is very low In fact, I spend more than this on a weekend at times. But, the fact is that the majority of people on a minimum wage have been provided with many opportunities to better themselves, right from their schooling days, but they have chosen to remain where they are.

Life is full of choices and opportunities. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

Now given that someone has paid for the wasted education, as master has stated, why then should we continue to pay when we get little or no return on our investment.

Almost anyone can enrol in a course to better themselves as there are many options available. Better skills often lead to better jobs and better pay.

These skills can't be learned at the pub, nor from the pokie machine and most certinly not in front of the telly. It requires ones commitment.

Remember, tomorrow is the first day of the rest of your life. It is never to late to start.

Let's examine rehctub's reply to my post:

Point 1: Rehctub thinks that because the children themselves don't pay for their education, therefore EDUCATION IS FREE. His quote is, "I would consider it as free". Gee rehctub, have you thought of offering a course on "logic"? I think there may be an opening for your course at the Jerry Springer University at Micky Mouse Town, Disneyland.

Point 2: Look at rehctub's spelling. He's obviously one of the people our education system neglected.

Point 3: Regarding children leaving home. Rehctub's original statement infers that kid's leave home with no history of mistreatment. True. However the "language" encased in his statement shows ZERO recognition that MANY children who leave home are victims of often incredible mistreatment and abuse from their parents and guardians and relatives. My reply restored the "balance", in recognising that not ALL children who leave home are manipulative little liars. Better luck next time rehctub with your twisted logic and one sided "implications".

Point 4: Rehctub wrote, " Have I mentioned anywhere that the minimum wage should be reduced (sic, no question mark), you are a dead set loss mate".
Master replies: Nowhere did I say, that you said the minimum wage should be reduced. Now rehctub is "INVENTING" things that he then says other folks are saying. He doesn't actually read what is "really" said. Again, I put this down to our education system letting rehctub through the education net. Obviously his English comprehension skills are in need of remedial attention.

Point 5: Rehctub's "IMPLICATION" is that the "MAJORITY" of people on the minimum wage choose the pub, polkies and telly; similar to his twisted allegation which implies that children who leave home are NOT mistreated (with ZERO qualification from him). Rehctub if you don't know what "zero qualification" means, please look it up. And no, it does not refer to educational qualifications. I thought I'd better help you out with that one, as I can see you are struggling. Rehctub's "implications" only mention ONE SIDE OF THE COIN.

Rehctub, you're dismissed from class: Score, FAILED.

Messy thread, find myself agreeing with master, still not answering questions shadow minister?
Minimum wage is not living in luxury how Col can you expect anyone to take you as other than a cranky unfocused old man?
In my world, my youth my daily life now, I lived on a mans minimum wage, my dads he as white with salt on his sweat stained shirt every day on coming home.
Winter or summer he worked himself to death at age 54, he was a valuable worker ,proudly every boss I ever had said/says I am too.
Now yes do you know how may are on that wage?
How many must live on less than very many houses get on social security.
How dare anyone put low income earners in that bucket.
Watch with me a 3 man family walk out the door at 4am and come home after dark, a bosses owned home, on minimum ages.
Know they had to work every anzac day, for single time, or leave the home that week.
BOSSES are not angels, not all of them, how I would hate to work for rehtub or Col then I never ever would starvation is better than slavery.
Unions? together we bargain divided we beg.