G'Day All. We as a Nation are supposed to be building a Country for the Children to inherit have a look through the Childrens eyes & see if you as a Child would like to inherit this world(I think not).
The Children from all cultures are abused in many formats from different backgrounds & cultures.While we as a nation keep treating problems these problems will continue the only way to fix a problem is to fix the cause.
We single out one section of the community while the whole country is suffering the same problems.We hear of the abuse of Indigenous Children but this abuse is through our entire society. We single out Bikers while what we acuse them of is through the entire society. We single out extreme Islamic beliefs while these extremes are through all religions.
We talk of sex as if it is love but sex is only the ultimate enhancement of love between a male & female for the act of reproduction as they have reached the point of where they find thier love of each other compels them to share a Child to display that love for each other.
While ever we as a people keep making knee jerk laws to cater for minority groups then we will continue with prejudice & discrimination. I speak not from the side that I think I am right but from the side of the knowledge of wrong. I wouldn't have the faintest what is right but I sure know what is wrong I have a record as long as your arm to prove I know what is wrong.There is two opposites of right & they are wrong & left & if something isn't right & it isn't wrong then it may be better left alone. Something by an unknown author "Love IS. Love requires no making nor creating, Love requires only the giving. Love requires no reward for that giving only the sharing. Love does not seek its own only its opposite as Love has no need for itself as it already IS.
Thanks for your time .Dave

Dear Dave,

Thank You for this thread.

I agree with you that love is so important.
If we could only remove from our minds the
tendency to judge, the tendency to blame.

The vast majority of
us are descendants of immigrants, yet we often
act as though today's immigrants don't deserve
what we do, that we need to have something to
protect us from their encroachment. It seems
paradoxical that we brag about our ancestry, yet
condemn someone trying to do the same thing today.

Of course there are immigrants who abuse our system,
just as there are people who are born here who abuse
our system. We have a tendency to moralize, to say
endless things about people and other nations about
how they should clean up their houses.

However, we need to clean up ours.
The days are long gone when we had
the moral authority to preach to others.
As you point out - we need to regain the ground, do
a moral inventory, do the work on ourselves that
we still need to do. That commitment must include our
capacity to love each other as human beings, to remember
that we are all linked on this planet -
and we can no longer take this world for granted.

I believe what is destroying our nation is the level of welfare given rather than the level of work opportunities that could be created by the same welfare. Make people take ownership of our community and its development, its laws and values.

I live next to a house of mixed 16 - 19 year old teenagers living away from home doing years 11 and 12 at school receiving mximum students allowances and benifits and their unemployed mates who frequenting this house being drunk out of their minds at weekends and disturbing the close townhouse neighbourhood. They will not act responsibly in community, nor will their unsupervised path lead to self sufficiency and social contribution.

Love? Oh kill me.

When talking about child abuse then equating this with bikers being hassled? Maybe not, I may have just read it all as one.

What isn’t right isn’t also wrong… maybe just a little bit wrong? But you know what is wrong and don’t think there is an opposite… how about when you do something right? Is it right or just not wrong? These words need removing from the English dictionary?

Sex as love, you’d have to ask the whores I guess as I think, like many, they do not do participate as an expression of love…probably not from any desire to reproduce either.

You got it out, I liked it, made no sense but definitely had a feeling of you lifting some weight Dave.

Let me guess, you are a member of Notorious?

Philo, my sympathy. See if Dave will send the boys round.

What would create jobs from welfare?

G'Day All, Thanks to Foxy for your comments,to Philo read the article again if you have one end of a piece string there must be an opposite end or else that piece of string isn't there at all. To every action there is an equal & opposite reaction even if you are unable to see it.Look at the theory of Relativity everything is relavant to the next, To The Pied Piper no I am not a member of Notorious or any other group & I wouldn't be sending any boys around. I used the Bikers as only an example where the States are trying to blame the bikers for all the crime but what they are blaming bikers for is all through society. The bikers are no different to the rest of society except they don't accept Child Abusers like so many other areas do. There are many good men & women that are bikers & many of them do a darn good job out there. Remember Bikers are only "supposed" to be connected to organised crime then clean up all organised crime & leave the Bikers alone until you do.Thanks again for your time. Dave

Dave hon… bikers do abuse and neglect their kids, I’ve had foster children who have had parents in gangs. Bikers sell drugs/stolen goods and some of them aren’t so organized – sometimes they are the organized crime with no supposing.

They bully and, for example; they don’t allow tattoo shops to open without their sponsorship, will burn an unsponsored persons shop to the ground. Their Xmas toy runs etc do not fool anybody. Their turf wars are as damaging as any little gangs out there.

Admittedly if they get their hands on a known or suspected pedophile they beat the crap out of them but then most people would. Difference is they like to fight.

Or are you talking about the weekend biker couple who own some bikes and enjoy their machines and do no harm and are not affiliated with your average leather clad, dirty jeans, can’t be alone biker “Club”?

I thought the theory of relativity was about how another universe could fit on the head of a pin. Or was it the one where if you are walking on a moving train and how relative is that to your immediate vicinity. I am sure someone will step in and help me out there.

I think maybe the law of motion is what the reaction one is. Don't quote me though, I’ll have to go look it up.

G'Day All. The Pied Piper, the road you are now walking is exactly the point I was making in the original thread. You have now isolated the bikers on this road. Do you honestly believe that only Bikers get around in the description you describe? Do you honestly believe that Bikers are the sole suppliers of the drugs & stolen property? Do you not see the point that I originally raised? What we are now talking about here is all this blaming one section or another is never going to work. How many teachers,police,lawyers,business people,doctors & religious figures & others are tied to the very things you are talking about? Most of the areas that I just raised are like mudguards shiney on top mud underneath. Lets start by saying society has failed to protect our Children from the garbage of adults.Thanks again. Dave. P.S I would like to communicate with you further so e-mail me at graysond49@yahoo.com Anyone else can also.

In the past much of the development of Australia was done by Government employment schemes using persons otherwise unemployed building roads, railway lines, water storeage and town treatment works. Today we use few contractors with billion $ machines and invoice costs and achieve the same. When have we built the equal of the Harbour bridge, the snowy scheme or railway from Perth via all capital cities to Cairns?

It is true it was hard work but in employing people for three days each week in community projects for equivalent to the dole will give them a sense of belonging to the community, rather than the idea that the community owes them a slothful lifestyle of their choice. The teenagers next door believe the pinnacle of their life is sex, drugs, fast cars and XBox, A waste of so much energy and time as they emerge at 11am and frequent the local fish and chips ship for breakfast.

Hey Dave, the bikers can take it. I’m sure they’re not worried about how I feel about anything. But yes you are right, there are bigger fish in the corruption, child abusing, drug supplier and stolen property ocean.

Doesn’t it have to start with a finger being pointed at one section or multiple sets and subsets in society? EVERYONE is too many at once to sort out.

Would be nice if EVERYONE ELSE woke up and did something, I believe all things must start with helping, raising and protecting children.

Philo, gotchya.. get rid of many non-government organizations as swiftly as possible and make more use of the unemployed. I whole heartedly agree.

11am? Your neighbors are early risers for teens. It is a shame the landlord does not think the same way you do.

where is their justice and law and equatiy , when a person gives police information about abuse they suffered as a child while in the states orphanages,girls homes ,boys homes, remand centres, state ward homes , foster homes, out of home care ,state church run institutions and many more institutions in australia

but can not and will not act on the compliant because the wittness's that were also abused are dead or have had criminal records in their past
so the victim making the compliant is pushed aside ,and the perpetrators are still among our society living the normal life

so how can victims get justice when the goverment its self covers up the abuse we victims the forgotten australians suffered

of which a lot of victims are trying to live the normal life

even if a biker were to make a compliant that they were abused in the states child care system the police will not act on thier behalf because they are assoicated with some form of club ,of which is discrimination to that person

even if an ex crim makes the compliant about what they suffered in these places the law just denys them justice because of their past and let the perpertrators roam free

so how can the forgotten australians get justice from the state of new south wales and that of other states and territories of australia

i beleave that all of us that have been abused in the system by those who worked for the goverment institutions form and unite and bring the states and territories accountable for their past wrongs to us victims

and if every victim that suffered abuse in these state run homes of australia stood tall and protested all as one , then we victims might achieve justice and would make it known we are real and alive

and we are fighting for justice for the victims still alive and those who have passed away and that of the new forgotten australians of which is happening in our states and territories till this day regards huffnpuff

“where is their justice and law and equality , when a person gives police information about abuse they suffered as a child while in the states orphanages, girls homes ,boys homes, remand centers, state ward homes , foster homes, out of home care ,state church run institutions and many more institutions in Australia“

Michael, I get this, I do. When abuse has been done or whether you have witnessed it and tried to help and been ignored it fucken cuts deep. I think many would move on if only heard, something put it place where the hurt is stopped and the wrong looked in the eye.

No none of it was fair, or okay, or in all reality forgivable. The further injustice done to you by not listening or the denial of justice is wrong and heartbreaking.

And yes you are all needed but you know that some do not have the same strength as you and you also know that sometimes you feel the weight of all that has happened.

Hang in there Huff, for all of them. Remember more are following, it hasn’t stopped.

G;Day All, This is to just to recognise the decency of The Pied Piper who did contact me direct to get my answers & complete story. To The Pied Piper Thank You & to the others that have posted I thank you for your comments they all help. Dave

G'Day all, HuffnPuff, this is what I want to happen for all that have been abused to unite as one then sort the governments out by having them criminally charged, there is only one hurdle to that though is that a government cannot be prosecuted. That is only a hurdle & hurdles can be jumped, some may be a little high but with a ladder they can be overcome give me the ladder & I will get over the hurdle. How? a government cannot be prosecuted but all that work for it can so just take the names of all the government workers & blanket prosecute them for a start, "conspiracy". Contact me direct on the e-mail address that I left before & we can see what can be done Thanks for your time Dave