“What a cop-out!”

What a cop-out straight back at ya CJ! Do you want me to address Banjo, Belly and Cornflower’s various points or don’t you? Come on, my request is perfectly reasonable.

“There probably is a bit of that. I'm certainly not as obsessed as you are, and I really couldn't be bothered dealing with the hateful bigots who use population sustainability as a more acceptable cover for their racism or misanthropy.”

Aha! So the bit about racists, etc in the population movement is just a complete beat-up. Right!

I put it to you that you’ve never been within a million miles of any population or sustainability-oriented group and you wouldn’t know what sort of people are members….and that your comments are just 100% dirty unfounded slander.

“As I recall, wasn't one of the attractions of Balding Bay the absence of the bikinis? ;)”

Yes, BB is a clothing optional beach. But the babes a few and far between and almost entirely opt to keep their gear on! (:>(

*42% of the Australian land mass leased to a small number of hands with very low lease, for long time, while new australians pay thousands of dollars for a small portion of land. This is unexeptable! We have land but we do not have the willing to use this land with a fair way!*

Rubbish Antonious. You clearly don't spend time in the bush. All
around Australia there is still cheap land in the country, but you
also have the heat, dust, flies etc. Now most people are city
slickers at heart, so the big smoke is where they head, all
crowded together, like a human zoo

Ludwig: << Do you want me to address Banjo, Belly and Cornflower’s various points or don’t you? >>

It's up to you, old chap. You're the one who has to live with yourself. The only reason I bother arguing with the bigots here is the old bit about evil existing because good men do nothing. However, I've made my point ad infinitum in this thread and it's become decidedly tedious.

If you want to get into bed with the racists and bigots, it's your funeral (to mix a few metaphors) - but it makes you part of the problem, rather than any part of such solutions that may exist.

<< I put it to you that you’ve never been within a million miles of any population or sustainability-oriented group and you wouldn’t know what sort of people are members….and that your comments are just 100% dirty unfounded slander. >>

Rubbish. While I haven't joined any such groups except the Greens, and where I live now it isn't feasible to have much active involvement even with them, the population 'activists' that I have encountered in person and online over the years (and there have been quite a few) very often prove to be misanthropic at best, or racist at worst.

You're probably aware of the 'fundi' vs 'realo' debates among the Greens, and I'm firmly in the 'realo' camp.

Anyway, I think I'm about done with this thread. Most of your cohorts seem to want to conflate refugee issues with those of immigration generally - as do you, apparently. I'm very comfortable with my position on refugees, which I've made abundantly clear.

I'll leave you to chatter with your bigoted buddies. See you on another thread.

“Now most people are city
slickers at heart, so the big smoke is where they head, all
crowded together, like a human zoo”

Belly that was a really weird thing to say. People usually don’t like being crowded together or too isolated. I’d say most people at heart are in-between… they’d like land and a town close by.

What forces most of us into or close to cities is how much it costs to live in the country and in the city there are more services available and more employment opportunities.

My rabbit used to do that to my two cats Ludwig, it even tried to eat through a steel mesh door to get to them. Nature is fascinating and a little scary.

CJ’s done a runner!

Ceej, there’s so much more to discuss here, centred on my responses to Banjo, Belly and Cornflower’s views. Soooo much fertile stuff for you to get your teeth into. Soooooooo many opportunities to let the slurs and slanders fly….or even to have some good vigorous logical debate with Ludwig!

And what do you do? Rather than pursue it, you run away from it!!

That is so poor. All you needed to do was to put up one quote from one of these posters or direct me to one of their posts that you want me to address to get the ball rolling.

Well OK, if you are so loathe to do it, I’ll do it. Then the onus will be on you to respond. See my next post.

“While I haven't joined any such groups except the Greens…”

Oh please, don’t make me laugh. The Greens are nowhere near being a population or sustainability-oriented group, and it is patently obvious that your involvement with them has had nothing to do with that sort of stuff.

“If you want to get into bed with the racists and bigots, it's your funeral (to mix a few metaphors) - but it makes you part of the problem, rather than any part of such solutions that may exist.”

Hmmm. And someone who can’t entertain a sensible debate without throwing up the really childish slurs at a prolific rate is not part of the problem eh? Someone who apparently thinks that everyone, and I mean everyone, who has a view that is even slightly right of theirs is misanthropic or worse is not part of the problem?

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“My rabbit used to do that to my two cats Ludwig, it even tried to eat through a steel mesh door to get to them. Nature is fascinating and a little scary.”

You had a totally psycho bunny Jewely! But what about your cats? Surely they didn’t let this cross-species deviant just have his way with them, like the floozy feline in the video??

Antonios

Your idea to have more dams to store more water has merit, however, over the last 100 years Australia has suffered six major droughts and fifteen less severe droughts.

The current drought that's ravaged the Australian continent, its inhabitants and its economy is simply the latest and most severe incarnation. And while there has been recent flooding in Queensland and heavy rains elsewhere, the drought has not yet broken overall.

Most dams have had seriously diminishing water supplies, some bordering on empty for sometime, so the annual rains you speak of have been of little use, therefore, there is no way that you could influence governments to build more dams when this is the case.

And Yabby is correct Antonios. There are houses and land in some country areas which are available, however, your migrant friends won’t go there, the majority seeming to want to huddle together in urbansville and not integrate.

An example is the small suburb of Perth, Mirrabooka, where those who speak only English at home, a mere 43.5% of the population. The real estate is no cheaper so that cannot be the reason they huddle together. Now, if you visit the eastern goldfields in WA, you won’t see a Middle Eastern looking person anywhere – perhaps a few Asian people but very few. Why is this so Antonios when many of today’s ethnic groups huddle in enclaves and have little desire to embrace the Australian population at large? And how can we Australians get to know these people if so many prefer to keep to themselves?

Exploitation of ethnics Antonios? Until recently, there was a Muslim College for Ladies in Perth. The hundreds of thousands of dollars of recurrent school grants had been squirreled off to Pakistan and there had been little instruction in the core subjects. The principal and his brother have been charged with fraud and other crimes.

Now you may accuse me of cherry picking but trust me Antonios, this makes the average Ozzie taxpayer hopping mad and incites racism but who is the guilty party?