“Then Banjo produced his "proof", which was an Antonios quote which said, "Come in, come my good refugees, this country is ours and yours, all temporary visitors on this planet." Banjo then said Antonios was an "internationalist".

”Now - - - -

”According to the clearly, incredibly stupid Banjo, these words by Antonios mean that Antonios wants refugees here "WITHOUT REGARD TO THEIR CHARACTER OR CULTURAL PRACTICE".

Master

A presumption needs to be based on some sort of evidence otherwise one can look pretty arrogant (and stoopid!) Therefore you have accused someone else of “stupidity” on a mere supposition. Are you able to show us where Antonios stated that his invitation to “all temporary visitors on the planet” was conditional?

Perhaps it is you who needs to “apologise to (XAntoniosX) Banjo for your false charge?”

Ludwig: << Go right ahead and degrade what would otherwise be a reasonable debate. Go right ahead and keep doing what hundreds of posters have criticised you for. >>

That's a brilliant effort at "reasonable discussion", Ludwig. This thread has been no more a "reasonable debate" than is a shock jock talkback radio program. And "hundreds of posters"? You do get carried away sometimes...

I haven't said that you are xenophobic or racist - but I have pointed out how your personal obsession about 'boat people' leads you to engage in much of the same baseless and paranoid conjecture that our resident bigots do. I've also made my position perfectly clear, i.e. that I disagree with your conclusion that treating humanely asylum seekers who arrive in Australia by boat will inevitably lead to many more coming for that reason.

To reiterate, I base my conclusion on such evidence as is available, while yours (like that of the bigots) is a product of a confabulation of worst-case suppositions. I don't know why it is that you think it's justifiable to imprison people for the 'crime' of lawfully seeking asylum in Australia, thereby invariably exacerbating the suffering that they endure.

That's one of the reasons that I think you must be misanthropic in disposition - combined, of course, with what I've gleaned from your posts over the years. No offence intended, but I think you're morally and legally wrong about 'boat people', and no argument you've yet put has altered that assessment.

Belly - with all due respect, what is the source of your "million" speculation, other than your own fertile imagination?

Banjo and Horus - no respect due. You're part of that minority racist underbelly that diminishes us all as Australians.

The Pied Piper
"It is a funny thing this internet Antonios, everything is more secret now but if we were in the street I bet we would stop and have a loud conversation and not care who hears us"
No my friend in the internet every one knows what we say, every one can make a copy from what we say, every one can use them as a proof, as an evident against us if and when they want.
There are some persons who would like to create problems to me You know my friend I have to be carefull, to control my steps and plan my moves. Try to understand me.
The Pied Piper about you I do not feel very proud when I have to tell the truth in doses, or not all the truth, when I want to ask something but I can not, you remember with my child. I thank you very much for everything, I want to be very good with you as you are with me. My friend the forums are not for personal or family issues, it is not that I do not trust you, that I try to hide something from you, simple I do not like to publish on the forums my personal or my family issues, your personal or your family issues. I am not a liar to you, I am ready to give you my email address if you want and be sure I will be 1000% honest. Try to understand me.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

I thought that Banjo took the forum's prize for sheer stupidity with some of those recent posts, but I now notice Protagoras is now striving for the stupidity prize (a two week holiday in Afghanistan).

Protagoras asks, "Are you able to show us where Antonios stated that his invitation to "all temporary visitors on the planet" was conditional"?

Master replies: Gee Protagoras, your reading comprehension is in even a greater state of crisis than Banjo's.

Firstly: The invitation was NOT to "all temporary visitors on the planet". The invitation was to "refugees". He then went on to describe people as "temporary visitors to the planet" (which is true - - - that's what we all are "temporary visitors to the planet". Antonios was NOT inviting EVERYBODY on the planet.

Secondly: Protagoras, do you know what the word "GOOD" means? Obviously not! Antonios wrote, come in my "good" refugees. He didn't say come in "all" refugees, or come in refugees "who practice pedophilia etc etc".

Protagoras, you must be INCREDIBLY STUPID if you "genuinely" think (which of course you don't - - you're just playing a game with this) that Antonios, because he didn't extensively qualify the moral standards of the refugees in his off the cuff symbolic invitation, would like to welcome to this country - - - - -pedophiles, incest lovers, genital mutilators, wife murderers, wife bashers etc etc. as the equally stupid Banjo "IMPLIED" with his bigoted, dumb set of questions.

Banjo and Protagoras have shown via their recent posts that they are just like the typical MINORITY of Australians who FEAR DIFFERENCE. A MINORITY who are only too ready to point out the absolute worst in human nature and attribute it to refugees and migrants.

Refugees and migrants built this country initially, and have continued to build it throughout it's ENTIRE history.

Refugees and migrants have historically shown that they are no better or no worse than the people already here.

Refugees and migrants make FANTASTIC citizens of Australia.

All achieved despite the small mindedness of MINORITY opposition

Good to be back pied piper, still humming that song.
Make No mistake, I fully understand it is not race but culture and mostly religion that drives the concerns I share.
However tell me it is wrong to be concerned about numbers too.
The thread can not ignore culture and faith, it however is about numbers, how many will come, can we handle it, is it fair to those in camps who wait.
AS is no doubt self assured my concern is his confidence is sadly miss placed.
I challenge us all, to think are we racist?
I can not name one race that I even dislike, but several cultures concern me, I once as far left as you can get, still am stumped by my ex brothers and sisters blindness to females treatment in some cultures.
Let us get back to the debate, forget masters blindness to facts, this country, the world must confront world wide refugees are a problem.
What do we do?
Rubbish about building this country into something it never can be, home of hundreds of millions? is not an answer.
If we drop the fence, let those who want entry come, isn't it clear the numbers will increase very many times?
Spare me the racism claims, it is not wrong to fear for your country's future.
Again first get rid of all religion, what else holds men apart so very much apart.

I think we all, every one of us, divert threads often.
I do so now, while my respect and understanding of C J Morgan is forever he shows why I am from center unity ALP not the true left.
Yes know CJM is from the greens, to me that is left of reality.
From that group great gains have been named, great ideas great wins for my class, working.
But in migration and so much more a stampede away from reality and the mainstream is still under way.
I walked the Sydney harbor bridge for reconciliation, recorded Rudd's sorry speech and still replace it with pride and damp eyes.
Still find the then oppositions leaders speech so very unwise so dreadfully done and grin in pride at those who turned their backs on him.
My est mates are not Australian born, in any lunch shed my first gday mate is always to the quietest usually from another country.
I learned to live, yes a raw country kid, by being the only Aussie working in a crew .
I am not racist.
I am very much anti SOME from SOME cultures some religions, not in any way ashamed of it.
The left tells me I and my party have sold out.
No my ALP my prime minister and yes me, are the new left, the understanding reality Left, as far left as mainstream Australia wants to go.
one million? open the gates and stand back, see an open gate could be tempting.
Labor ill never be as cruel as Howard but they will and must be firm,
C J Morgan do you know I would house, yes give up my privacy, any migrant boat or not free?
I would give half my income if it would help, we all should look for a answer in my view it starts with ending dreadful governments and we fail without helping remove them.