It is patently clear that the reason the Liberals have enjoyed the success of the last 10 yrs is because Labor is floundering and failing so dismally.

Its not that Liberals have been such great economic managers, it is well known that Keating stabilised the health of the economy off the back of the recession.

If you can define success by capitalising on the woes and misfortunes of Labor, then yes, Liberal have been a success.

I dont see Liberal as having delivered sound ethical and moral government to Australains.
They have prospered at the expense of Australians and infighting in the Labor Party.

No mystery here. I dont believe a Party should be allowed to claim success that is not based on their good Government , but rather by the failure of the Opposition.

Success by default if you like.

Today Kevin Rudd and Julia Gilliard took over the Labor leadership.

Now maybe with a hope and a prayer , us , the die hard Labor voters can see a glimmer of hope for the return of Labor to the political landscape .

Unfortunately for that too happen, a very decent man was toppled and I was very saddened by that..on that same morning his brother died.Kim Beazley is a great bloke in anyones estimation.

So now perhaps we may see Labor creating a little success of their own.

God willing.

With it being "well known" that Keating produced the economic goods, and that the Coalition is just benefitting from his wonderful work, it's surprising that Keating was kicked out when he was!

Well arent we in for trouble
Rudd will be bringing the church to government and there goes the rights of people.

There is only one set of rules he is interested in the bible and if you dont meet those rules well then you dont have a hope.
Its good to see labor will now take us down the same path as those countrys that have religion in government.
Australia the new Iraq

Your choice as an individual will be gone.

Australian peoples Party
email:swulrich@bigpond.net.au

Tapp..it is early days here..but I get the feeling that Rudd may abstain from letting his religiuos veiws from colouring his decision making...We must remember that the Leader does not work in isolation, he answers to his party.

I think as Rudd has a very ordinary background he will be grounded for the most part in decision making.

As long as the IR laws go..thats the main thing.

Leigh...what can I say except have a nice day.

Tapp - John Howard, Kim Beazley, Peter Costello, Tony Abbott are known church goers.

John Howard has given the Catholic Church $80 million to build a spire on St Mary's Church in Sydney. I am not a Catholic - I am seriously offended.

The Liberal federal government provides more funding for private schools in direct grants than to government schools. If you want to chose not to send your child to the state system you should pay the full cost. All over the country K12 schools are springing up with limited resources and unfortunately worse year 12 results than the government schools. I am not a churchgoer and I object to my taxes being spent on religious indoctrination and half-baked education.

As Minister for Health, Tony Abbott has tried to control women's sexual behaviour in line with the pope's teachings. He wants to stop abortion, punish potentially promiscuous school girls by denying access to Gardasil. allow chronically ill patients to suffer by stamping out stem cell research. I am not a catholic or even a psuedo-catholic and I am deeply offended.

Peter Costello and John Howard have been seen at Hillsong - a happy clappy american style evangical church who believe that poor people are bad. God help the social service recipients who have to rely on them for charity. I am even more frightened.

Beazley's church going antics haven't reached my ears.

Nick Minchins religious zealotry in selling off the farm in the face of strong evidence that some things work more efficiently as government monopolies rather than for profit operations. he is a dangerous dill.

The consistent failure of the federal government to apply effective regulation over insurance, superannuation, competition - all the areas where large corporations are leading the government round by the b*lls.

So Tapp - how could Rudd possibly be worse?

Well said Billie...........Well the religious bit anyway. It is certainly beyond my belief that any credibility can be given to an interventionist God. How politicians can impose their misguided interpretation of a book that was basically written many many decades after the death of Christ by hearsay from mostly uneducated apostles, can still relate to some of their decision making in parliament, is beyond me.

Well kevin rudd or his holiness is planing on bringing the church further into politics where it does not belong and also found out that the labor party was built from those church values and hadnt anything to do with the union.

just ask kevin

he has been speaking openely about his religion and other things

lets see

abortion no bad by bible
ru486 no bad by bible
gay rights no bad by bible

it seems for personel rights these will go he wont be holding back.
And as he has said he will be bring the church further into the process

holyshadow don't hold your breath. meaning well is simply not enough.

And also time for a real change

You know beating liberal or labor is up to us but that is where your problem is.

As you know all it takes is one person but then its up to you.

Email me at :swulrich@bigpond.net.au
Australian Peoples Party

But there is a problem you wont because you will just keep talking about it.
For one of you to email is a chance but then you have an opinion which can be passed on.
So who will it be.
I myself am as i believe honest so dont give me any bull just say what you think.
And this is what doesnt happen.
Give me a chance.
It is actually good as i have been told

I think tapp..

The biggest problem we have is getting pple to get off their big behinds and actually cast a vote..

I ahve been shocked to hear since asking around out of the first 6 pple I asked Im the only one who voted every year or at all.

They hate what Liberals are doing but apathy and laziness prevents them from getting behind theyre Party and actually effecting a change.

Unbelievable.

I hope we don't have to put up with this tapp character advertising yet another political party for much longer.

Holyshadow,

Well you don't have to wish me a "good day", but it would be OK if you faced facts about your precious Labor party and realised that you have no more say in what goes on than anyone else who has one vote every 4 years. Same goes for me.

All polticians are there for their own reasons, not ours. I don't know how long you have been voting, but I've been doing it long enough to know that it makes no difference in our system whether or not Labor or Liberal are in the chair. Politics is not about the art of the possible, as often claimed; it is about what they can get away with. We allow them to get away with too much BETWEEN elections. Elections are the only times most people involve (if turning to up to avoid being fined can be desribed that way!) themselves with politics. As long as things are jogging along to their satisfaction, most people wouldn't miss elections. Consequently, we are getting closer to totalitarianism all the time. Not just from the Coalition, because you dont' like them, and not just from Labor because I don't like them. From both of them! And, also from the Greens, Democrats and other also rans if they ever get the chance.

We all have a common enemy - politicians.

I voted Labor in our last state election because the Liberal member was a waste of space. The Labor candidate was successful, and she doesn't even need the space because she is so useless.

I hope we don't have to put up with this tapp character advertising yet another political party for much longer.
Posted by Leigh, Wednesday, 6 December 2006 12:08:53 PM

Well since you have no idea who i am and why then really you dont have to put up with me.

At least i for one am trying to do something
And not just for me but you wouldnt know and as i can see you would be another party person having a go.
At least the truth will come from here
real solutions and policies not just extremism and excuses

Leigh,

Good day how are you?

I have no problem with you Leigh, except you come from a very negative place in your veiws on most issues and its hard to debate you on that basis.

Yes we can all agree that Politicians work only for themselves , but some actually are a little better than others..If Kim Beazley had got into the PMs chair he would have made a fine leader one we could be proud of..even though I think these days he is more interested in putting his feet up , he is tired of the scene I think.The great thing about him is ,he never let the cut and thrust and the dirt of politics turn him to a lesser and or greedy self serving grub.

Kevin Rudd, who knows but time will tell.

I just want to get rid of these damned IR laws, who leads it up..I dont care.

What I say is only negative to you, HS. I am positive about what I think. Some people simply call negative that with which they disagree.

Pretty negative, really.

Hs yeah you could get rid of them but
what about those who have benefited like those in mining

dont get me wrong i understand more than you think.

they need to be fixed

email:swulrich@bigpond.net.au
Australian Peoples Party

but we know labor will just get rid of them even there are those that are doing ok.

what it comes down to is the arrogance of the boss and getting back at the unions.

i have a choice but then again when and if dear ole kevin gets his policy going probably same as kimmys blueprint.

At least mine is on paper as policy

From my vantage point in a service provider environment it looks pretty obvious how the liberal/labor debate is fuelled. the reason is that people employed in the revenue creating work force are simply getting fed up with working every day & getting fleeced more & more to keep the huge non-productive but generously rewarded public service propped up. the former are generally liberal & the latter generally labor

The Australian Peoples' Party has all the answers, does it tapp? Just like the Democrats did and the Greens. How about the DLP, the New Liberals, the Liberal Reform Party, Steele Hall's Party in SA (can't remember its name). Most have fizzled out. The Democrats are fizzling out, and the Greens will soon fizzle out after they fool people by doing deals with the Coaltion and Labor to entrench their personal power. Even the Nationals are on the fizz.

We don't need more politicans, tapp. There are too many now. We need to teach the fools we do have who is boss.

I appreciate your enthusiam for a new toy, but it is doomed before it starts. Particularly with a Red name. "Peoples' Party" is the stuff of communist China. When any organisation has to put "people" or "democratic" in the title, watch out!

I don't give a tinkers curse what religion our leaders are so long as they are Judeo Christian and NOT Muslim.
Also whatever JC religion they are , they keep it to themselves and not force their religious views on the rest of us.
Christian believers are far from being angelic but at least they are not as barbaric, cruel and sadistic as Islam.

"it is well known that Keating stabilised the health of the economy off the back of the recession."

Really?

That was the recession he created of course!

Had Keating & the profligate ones been in power, instead of their natural role, of opposition, from where they can make emotional pleadings and raving statements, the self-righteous outburst of the impotent, which we all know mean nothing,

the spending would have gone on, unrestrained.

GST would not be around to balance the budgets.

Archaic practices on the wharf and in the work place would still be entrenched (the supplication of government to their union bosses).

Unemployment would be at 10%

Spending on welfare subsidies (all those unemployed) would out strip income tax and we would be in deficit.

Budgetary Deficits are the prime cause of inflation (consumption outstripping supply) so we would have had

the recession of 2000 and been begging at the door of the IMF by 2004.

That is why Labor make Liberals not only "look good" but show how superior Liberal government is in displaying greater leadership, statesmanship, foresight and realism in just about everything they do.

It is just that compared to Liberals, Labor are a bunch of retards running around beating their chests and drooling at the supposed "injustice" and "unfairness" which result from those with drive and energy doing better than those who choose to sit on their butts and wait for the handouts.

Look no further to appreciate the incompetence of Labor than their panicky head-banging in the states regarding the drought. Apart from putting water up by 7% next year, half of which will go into general reveune - the SA Labor government's only action re water is to move SA Water into new rented premises at a rental which is going to cost us a mint. The Minister responsible, Michael Wright, sounded pathetic on radio this morning as he tried to gibber his way out of the roasting he was given.

State Labour is made up of the same type of people as Federal Labor. The same incompetence that the last Federal Labor government exhibited can still be seen in the States to remind us of the dangers of putting in a Rudd government. For all their faults, the Coalition knows how to add up and use money properly.