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To Carbonate or Not?

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To Carbonate or Not?

The Emissions Trading Scheme is creating deviseness in the community.

We have the government on one hand, supported by a select group of scientific “experts” telling us that we are creating global climate change with our excessive carbon emissions, so we must push ahead with the much vaunted Carbon Emissions Trading Scheme, which is going to cost a lot for some, whilst making a lot more for certain vested interest groups!

We have at the same time another group of scientific “experts” who are telling us that global warming is in fact being created by increased Solar Flare activity emanating from the Sun, and other planets in our Solar System are also registering increased warming, indicating that this situation on our planet is NOT being created solely by our carbon emissions, but is a flow-on effect from the Sun`s activity, which has occurred before at different times!

The crux of the matter is this,...are we to go ahead and spend a lot of money on setting up a Carbon Emission Trading Scheme, which if the second theory is correct, will only waste a lot of money, with little or no effect on the ultimate outcome,…..or are we better to concentrate on preparing our infrastructure to more efficiently cope with the changing climatic conditions, which may bring more calamitous events for an already storm ravaged planet?

This then is the issue that confronts us all, and I do believe is the issue that Steve Fielding was trying to bring to the attention of the Government. If he is right and the money is spent in the wrong direction, most of us are going to pay dearly as the increasing cost of Earthquake, Tsunami, Cyclone and the like devastates the financial coffers of all Governments and Insurance Companies decline the increasing request for Insurance Cover.

There is no doubt that the pollution of this planet is increasing, however this could be a significantly small contributor to the big picture that we are being led to believe in!

Let us investigate the full facts thoroughly before we jump!
Posted by Crackcup, Thursday, 18 June 2009 8:24:22 AM
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The whole trading idea is basically just a way to licence polluting.
Play accounting games with the figures, plant a few trees, and pump out as much muck as you like. I can see no real advantage to it, as a means of reducing pollution.
Posted by Maximillion, Thursday, 18 June 2009 9:31:46 AM
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The logic I see runs like this:

Your mechanic comes to you and says, we just checked and it's likely that you need to fix your brakes because they might fail sometime in the near future, but that's gonna cost you. You stand there wondering what the cost/benefit is going to do to your bank balance and wonder if it's worth it or should I put it off, after all the brakes haven't failed yet and the mechanic can't give you a date as to when they might.

Then someone says to you, "Just look at history, the great majority of accidents aren't caused by brake failure. In fact many of them happen with no fault of the drivers at all and nearly all are unpredictable." They go on to say, "Even when accidents happen most of the occupants of the car survive anyway, so it's not that big a deal. Save your money on the brakes, upgrade your seatbelts so when something does happen, you will survive better."

Do you buy the brakes?
Posted by Bugsy, Thursday, 18 June 2009 10:35:43 AM
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no bugsy/i dont buy brakes..[i dont own a car]...but this scam..says i do need to buy brakes..for your car..[even better..i need to pay for you to rebuild..your car]...im carrying all the costs mate!

its not as simple as bying brakes..[they want to re-build whole NEW car/fact-tories..[want to say..''its for brakes''..[but the real intent is to build many more cars..

[this tax..is to rebuild..their..industry]..they are lobbying govt for us to fix their new car's,..their/new wind-turbines.. their new industies..[to fix that..they sent broke..[expecting the new tax to bail them out]

they knew their polution was destroying the planet..[now they want us to fix it,..with our compul;sorry tax..[little wonder its men in suits..that want their new payday...via our..new tax

is our tax to end climate change..or climate warming..[they cant even definitily say..''its to stop global warming''..[because they want to keep the tax regardless of it cooling or warming..

[yes the climate changes,..thus the excuse of change stops them rebuilding the case wether its cooling or warming...now its all climate change

yesterday the climate was cooling[..today it's warming],but the tax gets paid both ways...because supprise supprise..the climate will allways CHANGE..[yes we finally got the change..we can be decieved by]

noting the dept of homeland security all of a sudden confirmns climate change..[why beat up the warming..is it change for change sake?...

does our tax make more or less change?

..rebuilding industry ensures the climate..will keep on changing...here is a change/..let industry/elites.. bear the costs for a change...let them pay for the rebuiold for a change we can really believe in

they l;aid a tax on us when they satole the fed reserve bank[they got the right to issue currenbcy[ewe got payrol tax[now its the same again[this time we get the carbon creddit[TAX]...they get the credit..[we get the tax],

and yes all them greedy currency/securities traders..now get to speculate on the price of the carbon tax..we must pay..[they still get the bonus...we get the tax...

its time the wage slave tax payer's[peons]..woke up to the men in suits..and white coats..telling us they can build it..whiter than white
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 18 June 2009 11:10:29 AM
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Only nature can change climate; but yes, unless the Government stops listening to the anti-social Left and the rent-seekers in the scientific world and renewable energy manufacture (which still needs the backing of conventional generation, and, therefore, will have no effect on the mythical CO2 problem), we will be saddled with a huge monetary impost which will see our economy and way of life ruined forever – with no affect on climate change.

The full facts should be investigated, as you suggest, Crackup. But the proponents of the human-cause climate change lies tell us that they have done all the investigation needed. The fact they have just centred on the CO2 myth and completely overlooked natural climate change, which is caused by a huge number of things, doesn’t come into their thinking. It is the same with all zealots, whether or not they really believe what they say, or they are just looking for funds or grants to help them develop ‘alternative’ energy, as many of them are.

Then, of course, we have the green Left, who are out to ruin every part of Western society and its economy that they can.

The IPCC where most of the nonsense comes from (most of the contributors to the lies are not scientists as commonly believed, but activists) was revamped from another extreme environmentalist organisation which flopped because of unproven information which the same sort of people were pushing out now.

Maximillion’s ‘licence to pollute’ sums up very well the bill that Government wants to get through. And it will make no difference whatsoever to climate change.
Posted by Leigh, Thursday, 18 June 2009 12:29:27 PM
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Maxmillion is right when he says;
The whole trading idea is basically just a way to license polluting.

In Europe the Russian Oligarchs took possession of a lot of run down
and bankrupt factories. They then closed them down and claimed the
credits from the Euro ETS scheme.
Now you know where they all suddenly appeared from as billionaires.

Bugsey, what if it is not the brakes ?
Posted by Bazz, Thursday, 18 June 2009 1:38:01 PM
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