Part two
B. More migrants
1. All businesses, more people means biger market, more houses, more shops, more businesses etc. Biger population means bigger stability and developement BUT also more migrants means more working force, lower working costs!
2. Progresive parties, as labors, greens etc have the bigest portions of migrants votes But in these parties there is a big resistance against more migrants from their low income voters plus from the Unions.
3. Migrants want more migrants, relatives, friends, same language, race or religious PLUS they know more migrants means that they have more votes, more power!
4. Strategic minds, futurists, people who can see beyont their nose, who can plan for the next 100, 200 or more years!. THE COUNTRIES WITH BIGGER POPULATION ARE THE WINERS, ESPECIALY IN DEMOCRATIC ENVIRONMENTS! AS THE WORLD BRACE THE POLES SYSTEM AND CREATE THE MULTIPOLAR SYSTEMS, IN THESE SYSTEMS THE VOICE OF THE COUNTRIES WITH MORE POPULATION ARE MUCH STRONGER THAN THE VOICE FROM LESS POPULATION.
For example, the weak, less developed Poland has more representaves, more power in the European Union bodies, parliament, commisions etc, than a developed country as Sweden.
Personaly FOR MANY REASONS I prefer more and more migrants.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Maximilion, living in Darwin, with as many people in total as my Sydney Suburb, you probably have a greater chance of getting your local member to ask a question in federal Parliament, than I have. Ask your local member by email, if you cannot see him personally.

Please have an assistant get the Hansards for 1985 and 1986. In them you will find the debate on the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission Act 1986, and the Australian Bill of Rights. When you have them you will see that the Covenant was enacted as Schedule 2 to the Human Rights Act. You will see that it was supposed to be repealed from there and reenacted immediately into the Australian Bill of Rights.

As Schedule 2 though, to the Human Rights Act 1986, it should still have the force of law, by reference to S 12 and 13 Acts Interpretation Act 1901. The question for Robert Mc Clelland I would like you to ask is:

If the ICCPR was enacted in 1986, by the then Labor Government, will the current Labor Government announce that it is in force in Australia as published on the Comlaw website, and undertake a review of all subsequent and previous discriminatory legislation and regulations made by all Commonwealth Public Authorities and Ministerial directives, that are inconsistent with its provisions, in the light of S 5 Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act 1900, and s 109 Constitution.

You understand the consequences for McClelland if he gets asked that question. If he lies about it is it the Joel Fitzgibbon walk? If he does not lie, he must sack a good few lying Judges, who have denied its existence. My old mate Jesus Christ, said ask and you shall receive, seek and you shall find, knock and it will be opened for you, so all you Maximilions out there, the magic millions, start asking some questions of your local members. It might even result in justice, instead of the just us, that lawyers deliver to us now. VIVA OLO

More migrants means more population, more populations means stronger defence system, means higher ability to defent our country.
Less population, as the low birth rates in west countries means that one, after the other these countries will disappeared! (This was for the nationalists)
The problem with nationalists is that they did not learn to use their brain, that they can not see farther than their nose and with their acts they drive their countries opposite from where they want to go.
For me the question is not more or less migrants, sure more, BUT WHEN WE WILL START THE CONVERTION OF AUSTRALIANS DESERTS TO THE BIGEST FOREST ON OUR PLANET. WE CAN! We can do it but we must change our mind. Sure will find resistance from the other side, the lefts (especialy from some extrem Greens) they are fanatic too and some times with their acts they bring the opposite results.
We saw it with the fires in Victoria! Do not cut the tree next to your door because you will kill the bags on the tree, but they underestimate the risks that of cause this tree we will destroy the whole forest, burn all the wild animals and many people, destroy the properties and wealth from many families.
The real question is not more or less migrants BUT are we ready to use our brain or we will continue sliping?
If we use our brain then Australia, a whole continent, can give the food for hundrends of millions of people.
I prefer an Australia with more than 120 million people!
And this ONLY as the begin!
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Well, P the B, I actually DO occasionally chat with the local Fed reps and senator, I have a work connection, so I'm going to print out your question and pass it on. I don't know exactly when I'll actually see them next, and I don't trust their flunkies to pass it on, but if I get an answer, I'll post it.

Jewely,
Must disagree with you. While I commend your outlook, I think you are making the most of a bad situation. 2 hours commuting! You probably justify that by saying other people travel further, take longer or cost more. I feel sorry for all those in that situation and the underlieing problem is PEOPLE, too many.

When I look at other countries I appreciate what we have here. England and Europe are beyond help and all from incontroled immigration. Unfortunately, we are rapidly following that path.

Every plane load of immigrants erodes our way of life a little more and the politicians do not care. I do not blame the immigrants themselves for wanting to improve their lifestyle. I would too in that situation. There are more restrictions and regulations imposed on us as each day passes. Take building regulations for example, one no longer can start off slowly and build as funds allow, but has to have the whole done in a certain time. Have you noticed that there are 'no parking' signs and 'no right turn' signs where one should be able to park or turn right. All this because of more PEOPLE!

I cry when I see good productive land being covered by asphalt, concrete and buildings as we have so little.

Call me selfish if you wish, but If there are no fish a grandpa cannot teach the lad to fish and a dad cannot show him the joys of camping if it is only in a designated area with other crowded campers.
More people restrict these sorts of things.

I believe I am practical and have the foresight to want some freedoms and choices available for the future Australians. We have been blessed with abundance and we are currently splurgeing that by bringing in more and more people.

We are the most generous and stupid people on earth in giving away our heritage.

Antonios

“More migrants means more population, more populations means stronger defence system, means higher ability to defent our country.”
---Not if:
1. Migrant allegiances lay elsewhere, à la “our religion before nationality”, or .
2. Population support needs drain the budget –leaving little for defence.

“Population, as the low birth rates in west countries means that one, after the other these countries will disappeared! (This was for the nationalists)”
--- For every able bodied migrant you import, you will eventually through family reunion or some other shonky scheme (by default) import two and in some cases many more “dependants” who are too old, too infirm, or due to some cultural more unable to contribute to the commonweal and will rely on social welfare for the reminder of their lives.

“The problem with nationalists is that they did not learn to use their brain…”
---The problem with many people who consider themselves “progressives”
is they let their heart rule their head–and they don’t learn from history:
• Kosovo was once Serb heartland --it is now no Serbs land.
• Lebanon was once a Christian enclave –it’s now largely populated by later arrivals, who are largely hostile to the Christian identity.

“WHEN WE WILL START THE CONVERTION OF AUSTRALIANS DESERTS TO THE BIGEST FOREST ON OUR PLANET. WE CAN!
---You’ve got better prospects of terraforming Venus or Mars!
1) Have you done a cost benefit analysis ? and
2) You will find that much of that land has been ruled--- off limits--- for most Australians.

"I prefer an Australia with more than 120 million people!"
---Dream on!