Jewely,
A couple of points for you to consider.

Aboriginals and other citizens have every right to comment on matters of immigration if they so wish. We have never had a referendum on immigration or multiculturalism, the politicians decided these matters, for better or worse.

The last studies I saw showed there was little or no gain for citizens from immigration. Big business wants immigration and gifts large donations to the coffers of the two major parties to ensure they get their way. What benefits the country has nothing to do with immigration.

We do not entice our young women to go forth and multiply, the politicians do that by offering the 'baby bonus' which most other people think is absurd.

The bringing of those British boys here after the war was the idea of the Brits to clear the orphanages out and we accepted them. Just like clearing the jails out in Britain in the 18th and 19th centuries.

I do not know of any country that simply allows people to come and go as they please. Why should we?

Hey banjo, Nah I meant the aboriginals way back when the first ships came.

Umm.. you mean no gain for current citizens, what did you want to gain from new citizens?

Sorry can’t help hassling you all about the baby bonus thing I do understand most of you don’t like it. But when I first got here this dude on TV was explaining how Aussie needs more people desperately and hence the baby bonus.

I think you accepted them cause those British boys boosted the numbers of a particular colour. All fine in theory just that weren’t treated nicely according to whatever it was a read.

You let Kiwis come and go as we please.[smile] Kiwi’s let you come and go as you please. I think the Islanders get to go to NZ whenever the whim takes them.

You should because all countries should. Anyone should be able to decide to go live somewhere else and go do it. I want to go live in this place I saw on TV where the Mayans live. Well I’m over that now but would be nice for all people to have all choices.

Wasn’t this how north America managed to start up, gotta get the masses in first.

Watched a thing today about the Romani peoples, too cool… gypsies.

We talk about the welcome matters. When I was a kid, a long time ago now, the cry was populate or perish. We only had ten million then, and now we are pushing twenty one. It may well be that Maximilion way up there in Darwin, sees no need to increase our population, but in truth, the land could probably support fifty million or more.

If a line is drawn from Mackay to Broome, there is a vast area of vacant land. It is a land of huge open spaces, and gets a lot more rainfall than the south of the continent. A huge pipeline from the Ord River to the red centre, would bring fresh water to a vast area of fertile soils, and feed a larger population than we imagine at present. The dream of diverting water from the northern high rainfall to the inland has been around a long time. In another life I was a farmer, and the cry then was grow more food, as Europe had nearly starved to death, in WWII but some imbecile thought we should import it all, and export our raw materials to pay for it. We got plenty of those too.

It is probably time to abolish all State Governments. The resources wasted on useless State administrations, who cannot even pay their bills for hospitals, in New South Wales, will all be swept away, if as I said on another post, the Federal Government enforces the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and allows anyone at all to bring a case under its auspices. Currently neither the Federal Court nor High Court will abide its provisions. Lawyers hate the Covenant but you will love it. It opens up an unprecedented chance for universal justice for all, and that is essential if the resources of the land are to be equitably distributed.

Thinkers like Lindsay Tanner, know the States are an expensive luxury. They will shrivel up and die unless they adapt to the Covenant. They do not have to go, but must accept the Commonwealth is paramount.

Peter the B’, after all your serious posts on matters legal, it’s refreshing to see you have a sense of humour after all.
“A huge pipeline from the Ord River to the red centre, would bring fresh water to a vast area of fertile soils,”
GOOD ONE Pete, I had a chuckle over that.
You contrast the dreamers with the reality, of vast vistas of an ancient sea-bottom, sand, salt and precious little else.
I actually agree with you re’ abolishing the states, with or without this Covenant of which you speak. I can’t see it actually ever happening though, too many vested interests there I’m afraid.
Keep those jokes coming, we all need a giggle occasionally

Jewely,
Sorry about the last post, it ended up on wrong thread but see you picked it up, good.

My experience is that you would find a lot of Kiwis bitterly opposed to NZ becoming another state of Aus. I think best left as is and we get on OK. If it works don't fix it!

One thing that is useful to know when debating Aus immigration. the major parties years ago agreed NOT to publicly debate immigration issues. At the time they said this was because it was too complex for us (the public) to understand. Now we all know the real reason was to save the polys from embarassing themselves and so they could pile on the bull. That is why we hear very little from the Opposition in relation to immigration. Even the Greens, who have a low immigration policy, say nothing because the hypocrites rely on Labor preferences to get seats in the Senate.

So you see, there are many reasons we have a high immigration rate and none of those reasons relate to being beneficial to Australia.

Makes one relize how stupid we are!

"A Dog looking out for its afternoon nap jumped into the Manger of an Ox and lay there cosily upon the straw. But soon the Ox, returning from its afternoon work, came up to the Manger and wanted to eat some of the straw. The Dog in a rage, being awakened from its slumber, stood up and barked at the Ox, and whenever it came near attempted to bite it. At last the Ox had to give up the hope of getting at the straw, and went away muttering: 'Ah, people often grudge others what they cannot enjoy themselves.'"

Aesop (620-560 BC)

"Like vnto cruell Dogges liyng in a Maunger, neither eatyng the Haye theim selues ne sufferyng the Horse to feed thereof hymself."

William Bullein: "A dialogue against the feuer pestilence" 1564

>>Although an immigrant myself I was follwoing a siple strategy of moving from one densely populated and resource depleted island (Britain) to a less densely populated, resource rich Island (Australia). However, now that I am here, I would agree with your question. Why do we need more folk?<<

Col Rouge, 2009

It's an attitude as old as the hills.

One bunch of immigrants telling another bunch of would-be immigrants that they're not welcome, because... they're immigrants.