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If we ingnore this will it go away?

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The End of the line (TEL) Doco
“The basic problem, is the huge over-capacity of the modern fishing industry. “
There are too many boats chasing too few fish: "The global fishing capacity could catch the world catch four times over. The world's long-lining industry sets 1.4 billion hooks every year. These are estimated to be set on enough line to encircle the entire globe more than 550 times.
The mouth of the largest trawling net is big enough to accommodate 13 747 jets.
claims the world's oceans are facing catastrophe
In some countries there are quotas limiting the amount of each species a vessel can land. But, crucially, there are no discards - the practice of throwing tonnes of dead fish back into the water, which has so blighted the EU version of this”
“Fish exporter Jan Tomensen said “there is general agreement in Iceland among policy makers about their conservation measures.”
We hear that 90% of the fish in the EC is over-fished and 30% is in very bad shape, Waitrose ( major UK retailer) chief buyer of fish, Quentin Clark, says: "There are some shocking, absolutely shocking, statistics out about how much fish is caught illegally around the world - it is a global problem.
"And that is why it is so important that people have full confidence in their retailer - or wherever else they buy their fish - that they know where that fish is coming from."
Watching The End of the Line, it is clear that consumer power may be central to hopes of stopping the decline in global fish stocks. We are all being encouraged to ask: "Where is this fish from, and is that source sustainable?"
Source BBC News Science
Posted by examinator, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 10:43:10 AM
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its a matter of economincs...once the catch falls off the industry dies...its basic stuff..LOOK AT WHALING..in time it died..[and whales are slower breeding than the orange ruffy]

we faced this fish shortage many times..[the first time was in sydney cove..[as fishing out the foodstuff is the first step of colonisers,..ie get rid of food..and the natives then are willing to work for food..[or starve to death]..

the fish catch fell to nothing shortly after the euro's arrived,on thses shores..[but in timne came back]

soon there was enough fish..lol..again..[and we sent ever bigger fishing boats in..[till govt bought back a few licences..[and this money was pooled together to go off shore..[to fish-out the fish on other foreign shore's...[like the somalie fishermen..[now become pirates]..lest we forget

soon even so..in the end even..the big-nets come home with nothing...but the few fish left..will breed up yet again..[in time] the secret is not to give the fisher-folks the cash..to do it all over..yet again

also on the other things we need not ignore is the subsidies/govt gives to the same selfish fishers..of govt subsidy...[like those curently fishing for the carbon tax..[purely to finance the retool up big buisness again overseas ]

we are good at repeating the mistakes of the past..[we have the environment minester even..today talking about green collar/jobs..[that will no doudt be bought with this new carbon credit..[and the water licence buyback[to re-tool up again off-shore]

and no doudt..the buy back of fishing licence's.. as well as the other plentyfull govt/cash grr-rants..govt/gives to those expurt's at exploiting any resource into extinction..thanks to govt largess..ie/licence/subsidy or grant..carbon tax egsemtion/creddit/guarentee..

[all paid for by those mugs paying income-tax..lol..on wages..and of course the natives blindly accepting cash gifts from multinaionals seeking only to reap and plunder[harvest]..where they did not sow
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 3:53:05 PM
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Haven't seen the doco, but have been aware of the problem for some time, it was the Japs strip-mining the oceans that got me on the case.
The predatory behaviour of the worlds fishing fleets is what has caused the piracy problem off Sudan, once the Gov' there collapsed, the big boats moved in and stripped the environment clean, and the local fishermen became pirates to survive.
Given all the chemicals, millions of tons daily, which are pouring into the ocean, and the way stocks are being ruined, it won't be too long before the entire oceanic eco-system literally disappears, forever.
The worst thing about it is that it won't be stopped, even if we could it won't be, we all know this. The same with de-forestation, air pollution etc, it's already too late.
Posted by Maximillion, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 9:39:25 PM
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After srawling several websites - the
best suggestion that I read was summed up in
the following way:

"Fishing is a global industry, e.g. fish
caught in the Meditteranean may end up on the
table in a restaurant in Japan. If one nation
offers high prices for a certain kind of fish -
it's a safe bet that hundreds of fishermen
will compete to meet that demand."

Max is right - controlling the industry is
going to be difficult, or perhaps, as he says -
possibly too late. But what choice have we got?

Government regulation and enforcement may be
the only way to keep the industry from spiralling
out of control.

Logically thinking, restraint would benefit everyone.

1) Limiting fishing fleets would put less stress on
the environment.

2) Fish stocks would have the opportunity to reach
a sustainable population.

3) Fishermen would still be able to make a living
harvesting fish.

But getting countries like Japan and others to agree
to these restraints is going to be the key to
trying to solve this problem.

Unless something is done globally - the problem won't
go away, it will only get worse.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 4 June 2009 7:02:27 AM
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mankind is the most arrogant creature god ever created[this chemiclly motivated ape actually thinks it runs its life[it alone thinks it is created in gods image]...it alone believes it can change anything[its a universal joke]it alone of all gods creation thinks it is the quantum...it alone thinks it can affect nature..or move the will of god...it has these faulse god heads of capitalism,or finance or the freemarket[that are universal'isms.]god made plenty,mankind alone frets about god giving them their next meal...it is mankind who creates temporary shortages...destroying mountains of food..to create an artificial shortage..so buisness can pretend there is limited supply..so buSINness can do its buisness as usual...and create vast mountains of paper[called money]they then tax to create ever more shortage[the one shortage mankingd never has is a shortage of money[the money changers can print it off like news paper,but then need to burn it to retain an artificial scarcity[when it gets banked the physical money gets destroyed by those who printed it by whim[them the bank simply closes shop and the apes begin from scratch,working yet again to create more of it[never waking up that it is things that have value not paper]everything cost money[fishing out the last fish costys the most mankind will never have enough to catch the lasst one[one fish breed's millions,..go away for one year in 7 and the wealth returns[but even those apes calling themselves god own dont know the true intended meaning of the sabbath year let alone the jubelee,if yesterday taught any of us anything ,know our labours mean nothing especially in this digetal age[one minute its here[next its gone]and by whim it returns or stays away..[essentiually there is nothing we could do about it..everybody used to write like this[then a few opened up]what are the fish in the sea compared to a carbon tax on all we buy and sell
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 4 June 2009 7:51:48 AM
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This seems to me to be a classic case of the "tragedy of the commons".
Posted by mikk, Thursday, 4 June 2009 12:25:03 PM
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