Pelican,Foxy
Spot on.Ladies

I like to look at my native bees, plants, birds, animals and other objects too that doesn't mean I think or want sex with them.

I consider lots of movie stars as pleasant to look at but sexual involvement (not bloody likely).Too many issues mine and theirs.
Not to mention.
1. They would have better taste.
2. I always waited untill envited then I consider options
3. particularly the risks, health and emotional and the post coital conversations.

To me sex is great but it's like having only one shoe and two legs great for hopping (short term) I get quickly tired of hopping. Not a lot of day to day walking (long term). Like I said great with the two way emotional communication (The other shoe).

The basis of which must exist for me Before I have or would consider sexual involvement.
The assumptions from 'the two' are rather depressing. Being so dominated by sex when surrounded by so many unattainables would indeed be grounds for frustration and over emphasis.

One assumes H simply likes to talk tough/dirty/in your face in the belief it confirms his maleness.
And the other well his motives are also clear, power related.

Personally I don't want to dominate anyone else I've got enough to deal with just being me. It would be nice to have the shared bit too.

".....'Given that consensus view is that the difference you've been discussing here appears to be a basic difference between the sexes, why is it up to men to change? Why should it not be the responsibility of women to accept that some men are like this, just as you expect men to accept that women have certain "hard-wired" responses?'

I'd be really interested in an answer to that one. Pity it fell on deaf ears......" (Quote: Houelles)

See? This is plain silly. I don't expect anything from men. And I'm always pleasantly surprised.
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None of the women on this forum sniffle into lace hankies. Don't be disingenuous here gentlemen; you know that they can hold their own intellectually....YET:

You have not frightened them away, but you HAVE exhausted them into withdrawing from this thread.

Have you enjoyed your pack hunt?
Are you pleased?

It hasn't occurred to any of you, has it;-that your reactions on this thread would tend to endorse the chest beating macho fella scenario.

You have dominated and stifled any discussion, and by doing that, rather proved just what you are denying!!

Well;OK.I'm at a stage in my life where I have nothing to lose. SO:

If we've just got started on this thread. So be it.

Three of you have persisted. I guess you needed each other to do so.

The balance now is fair..

I have no intention of being intimidated by the three of you who don't appear to be able to function as individuals....maybe Yabbs. We'll see

*Yabby, the fact is some men and women are born good looking and whether they intend it or not they will be viewed in that light whether overtly 'marketed' or not*

Ah Pelican, that is true. But a whole lot of women, including young ones,
blow 300 million$ a year on Botox alone, so they are clearly trying
to create an image that is not naturally there.

If a bloke chatted you up, mainly because you were dropdead
gorgeous or rich, don't be amazed if he stopped fancying you, when you became
old or poor. That is the point.

Women of substance don't have to worry about those wrinklies,
for its not just perky breasts and a cute smile that they have
relied on so far in life.

We like to be loved and respected for the qualities that we think
we have.

Houllie, I love your posts and humour :)

Foxy, that is better. Quote all of what I wrote.
That is manners.

Examinator, I think H might just have a little more normal testosterone
flowing in his veins then yourself. But doctors
can help you with a boost, if your endocrine system does not
manufacture enough.

Examinator,-pleasant to see a comment from an individual.

The hormone balance is about right I'd say.

ginx: I know you are, but what am I?"

Vapid as ever, old girl...

ginx:"I have no intention of being intimidated by the three of you"

LOL. Here we go again - the old "you can't scare me, I'm brave, I am, so there" to someone who not only doesn't want to intimidate you but couldn't if the desire existed, being as how no one knows who or where you are.

Typical weak-minded straw-man, ginx. Don't feel bad, the "sista grrrrls" will be along to tell you how wonderful it was...

ginx:"You have dominated and stifled any discussion"

This is my 11th post since the thread began.
Foxy has posted 19 times
Fractelle has posted 21 times
Houellebecq has posted 10 times
Pericles has posted 6 times
Yabby has posted 20 times
Forrest Gumpp has posted 5 times
Maximillion has posted 3 times
Pelican has posted twice
Bronwyn has posted 3 times
Romany has posted 5 times
You have posted 10 times (that's one less than me, in case you aren't up to higher maths, none of which contained any substance)
Even the Pomeranian has tried to hump the nearest leg on 4 occasions and a few others have chimed in once or twice.

Whilst I'm surprised that you feel "dominated" by 3 dissenting posters whose posts collectively make up approximately 1/3 of the thread and I'd normally take the remark as a compliment, I can't help being mindful of the source. Is it really a compliment to be called clever by someone who obviously isn't?

I'll ponder on it and offer my tentative thanks...

"Ah Pelican, that is true. But a whole lot of women, including young ones, blow 300 million$ a year on Botox alone, so they are clearly trying to create an image that is not naturally there. "

You may be disappointed Yabby but I agree. One has to ask why they do it - especially the younger ones. Perhaps some young women feel the pressure to be beautiful - it is not an unreasonable conclusion based on the discussion above. And it is not just the women who are boosting the already growing beauty industry.

I don't like the fact that both men and women (especially in the US) feel the need to remodel themselves - but it is an individual choice. More and more, men are visiting cosmetic surgeons, muscle building gyms and hair restorers in droves. Young men/boys are now prone to anorexia, once an illness predominantly found in girls.

Sadly many of these people are already beautiful but are not aware of their own natural given assets.

Have you ever seen those before and after shots of stars and think "...actually they looked better before" now they look like freaky plastic dummies with skin pulled back so tight and lips so collagenised, inflated like ballons it is quite ugly. The sad thing is they think they look more beautiful.

Have you ever met someone who can be described as beautiful but after speaking to them they visually appear less attractive than you thought? And vice versa, a plainish person who might not attract someone in the street, but once known to someone becomes more beautiful by the merits of their personality.

We are all victims of media pressure to be thin, beautiful etal. But how do we teach our kids to be confident and content in the face of this pressure? That is the real dilemma.