Sorry Whistler, but, despite your femnist declarations (democracy is divisive without the inclusion of women's legislatures,Achieve equity between women and men and all else follows, gay women and gay men included.) I find myself in agreement with Pericles. And as for your final statement,"The anatgonism between the genders when male privilege rules is certainly not conducive to overall happiness, and its the men who are overall unhappiest!" , well, until the femnist excesses came along, I don't think there actually WAS much antagonism. I'm not saying that all were happy, or that society didn't need to change, we did, and have, but the fire in the gender dispute nowadays seems to stem from the blanket blaming of all the ills of the world on the males that is the hallmark of the femnazi's. Any wonder that a lot of men are unhappy? Constant unfounded abuse can get under anyone's skin

Maximillion, thanks again for your comments. With respect, you have every right to support a democracy in which women are second-class citizens under perpetual male supervision. In which violence against women is endemic despite anti-discrimination legislation now 30 years old [http://2mf.net/news158.htm], indicating a basic fault in the Constitution. In which sex crimes against women and children are common. In which women get paid less on average because jobs men prefer pay more. In which law is made and delivered overwhelmingly by men. In which minority groups are routinely discriminated against, First Australians on average live something like 20 years or so less than members of introduced communities, religious wars are intractable, greed reigns whilst legislatures in which women and men bargain individually are useless. In which men struggle under the burden of incessantly supervising women, compromising their health and leaving little time to parent their children. In which gender wars are ubiquitous, from ruthless patriarchy to so called feminazism, without relief. In which populations perish through tragic incompetence with negotiation skills, in which management stumbles from crisis to crisis with no prospect of sustainability, in which the environment has been so abused a catastrophic global crisis has emerged. In which the world we are passing on to our children is festering with calamity. In which crime is endemic, courts using judgement based on guesswork produce weird judgements and honesty, decency and humanity take second place to narcissism and neglect.
I suspect most Australian's don't. Most Australians would consider an equitable democracy a better option.

Whistler, you merely demonstrate the exact point I was making, blaming all men for all the ills of the world.
However, I'll try and respond to a few of your points.
Pt 1:
Constant male supervision? Can't see how that works, since the media and courts are always on the side of the PC brigade, and men are regularly lambasted, just as you have done here.
Endemic violence against women? Hardly,(in Australia) and there’s so much violence against men, by women, that is never reported or acted on, especially emotional violence. How that links to a Constitutional fault I just can’t see.
Sex crimes are common? Again, a fallacy when you compare the statistics, and another example of tarring all men with the same brush.
Women’s average pay? True enough, but since you’ve had decades to do something about it, and laws are in place and being enforced, it would appear to be a reflection of the choices women make, not the Constitution.
Men making and delivering laws? Also true, but I’d turn it around and ask why so few women seem interested in pursuing a career in those fields, those that do seem to have few problems succeeding.

Pt II
Discrimination against minorities? It exists, always has, but most of what you call discrimination is a side-effect of them being a minority in a democracy, they, like the rest of us, must go with the majority, we can’t all have everything exactly the way we’d prefer.
As for the First Immigrants, most of their problems these days are self-inflicted, blaming men is spurious reasoning at best. They receive far more funding and support per head than any other group, but waste it. They choose to live in remote and/or degrading conditions, no-one forces them to, and those that try to improve are dragged down by the rest, not Caucasian males.
The rest of your post is Femnist cant, and has little relationship to the world as most see it. I have a 22yr old, well educated, independent daughter, and she and her friends find that outlook a joke these days, still fighting a battle long won. Exaggeration and accusation do your cause no favours with them, and interpreting everything through one out-moded set of coloured-glasses merely makes you look foolish to them. I LISTEN to them, do you? Or do you Tell them, and try to re-educate them to your way of thinking? Is it any wonder that your view is losing support so rapidly amongst the young, we have taught them to think for themselves, to not follow an ideology blindly, exactly what the Femnist Movement set out to achieve.

Maximillion, once more thank you.
Respectfully, you're talking to a bloke, [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCYlv6AUdMY ] so your theory I blame myself is nuts.
Neither am I pu**ywhipped, as has been posited elsewhere outside this forum.
My first concern is men, because I am one. It's a subject I know.
You, and Foxy, if you will allow, have made me see what damage supervising women does to men.
I'll be sure to take that thought to my next men's group.
You are so right so called feminazism is having a heinous effect.
Typical male couldn't see that about my own kind.
All the bad stuff I mentioned ... I hate mentioning bad stuff, I tend to assume its ok to talk about equity without having to reel out examples of inequity ... is examples of inequity.
Each has in common ... drum roll ... the primary components ... trumpets ... you guessed it ... a choral crescendo ... women and men ... tra la!
Achieve equity between women and men and all else follows.
I'll cherry pick your excellent other comments in my next post.
again sincerely, thanks.

And I'm sorry too Whistler, I have re-read my posts, and nowhere do I say you're female. I speak of femnists, femnazis, and femnist ideology, that is all. I see no reason why a male can't be as misguided as a female, it's human, it happens all the time. I will assume your telling the truth, and say this, that as you're so intensely pro femnist-ideology, and so blinded by your Faith, "there's none so blind as those who will not see", that I am glad my daughter and most other young women I meet DO laugh at you all, it gives me hope for our combined future.
And your closing words,"Achieve equity between women and men and all else follows.", well, if that's not the Declaration of Faith of an extremist I don't know what is! No single answer will solve everything, life and the world is far too complicated for that.
May god save us all from "ists", of any ilk or flavour.