The National Forum   Donate   Your Account   On Line Opinion   Forum   Blogs   Polling   About   
The Forum - On Line Opinion's article discussion area



Syndicate
RSS/XML


RSS 2.0

Main Articles General

Sign In      Register

The Forum > General Discussion > Einfeld how ?

Einfeld how ?

  1. Pages:
  2. 1
  3. 2
  4. 3
  5. ...
  6. 10
  7. 11
  8. 12
  9. Page 13
  10. 14
  11. 15
  12. 16
  13. 17
  14. 18
  15. All
Einfeld asked also that his cell door be left open.
I think we can take it that this is not done for anyone and personal help in the way he asked for is unlikely for others.
Bit weak in my view to bring the Jewish thing in,I have never found a Jew hater to have any views I agreed with.
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 28 March 2009 7:05:16 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
I knew it couldn't be long in coming: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/the-mob-shows-no-mercy-20090328-9ew3.html?page=-1

I quote:"he is not the first Jew they have crucified."

and:"I had lunch with Marcus the day before he went away. I returned a copy of the Jewish Prayer Book he had absentmindedly left in my chambers some months earlier"

and:"Marcus, in his retirement, became a legal activist Jew who reached out."

there are others. Given that his primary claim to fame is his legal career, not his Judaism, what is the point of making so much of it? If so much is being made now, why would anyone think he'd not been the beneficiary of some assistance from Jewish colleagues to cover up earlier episodes of dishonesty from the man? Perhaps Mr Waterstreet (along with the many other prominent Jewish lawyers Einfeld mixed with) may know a little of that?

Frankly, the best thing the Jewish community could do for Einfeld is shut up and let him do his time, then welcome him back as the eminent member that he is. These efforts to whitewash him and paint the process that lead to his downfall as anti-semitic are counter-productive.

belly:"I have never found a Jew hater to have any views I agreed with."

You and me both, mate. OTOH, I've never met a Jew who wasn't prepared to play the anti-semitic card at the drop of a hat. As anyone who has read my posts will know, I have a strong aversion to being accused of things I am not.
Posted by Antiseptic, Sunday, 29 March 2009 5:25:45 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Antiseptic ,no way in the world was I thinking of you in that post.
in fact I agree with every word in your post, and I am called racist for refusing to stay quite when our first Australians play the race card.
I remain baffled by the support for this man, yes he is 70 years old.
Yes he did much good, he was a hero to many, including me, but why do we constantly feel the need to defend some one who let us down?
2 years, 70 years old, a long hard sentence, but given by a man who knew him well, knew how bad this act was, surely just what we think justice is about?
send him to minimum security, let him have it a little better but get of your knees Australia, he is in the place many more should be.
or justice truly would be deaf blind and useless.
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 29 March 2009 6:20:18 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Antiseptic wrote:

belly:"I have never found a Jew hater to have any views I agreed with."

You and me both, mate. OTOH, I've never met a Jew who wasn't prepared to play the anti-semitic card at the drop of a hat.

Dear Belly and Antiseptic:

I have found Jew haters who have many views I agree with, and I am a Jew. People are complex and may be prejudiced in some areas and be remarkably prescient in other areas. Dostoyevskii was a keen observer of the human condition and was also a Jew hater. Voltaire had a brilliant mind, was for freedom of expression and was also a Jew hater.

OTOH, I know many Jews who do not play the anti-semitic card at the drop of a hat. That is often the product of insecurity.

In the discussion of Einfeld I have pleased to note that there has been little antisemitism displayed in the discussion of a corrupt and dishonest Jew.
Posted by david f, Sunday, 29 March 2009 7:55:02 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Spikey: Those who are predicting a cushy, privileged life in prison - all sorts of presumptions are being converted into 'fact' here - have obviously never been incarcerated.

I havepredicted just that.
I’m not proud of it, but never hide the fact that, in my early-adult years I did do time, before kids glued my feet firmly to the planet. I was later employed for several years by the Salvos, helping ex-prisoners and others. I have also been a volunteer prison-visitor, acting in support of those who were suicidal inside, and have seen the conditions and methodology in several states, so I think I can claim some knowledge of the subject.
Bearing all this in mind, I declare:-
Einfeld WILL be assigned to a cushy institution.
He WILL be given special privileges.
He WILL be granted early-release, far above what a mere serf can hope for.

None of the above have anything to do with his race or religion, thank heaven, merely his money, status and connections. I also spent nearly 20 years as a chef, catering to many such as he, and have listened to uncountable conversations amongst them, “In vino veritas”, and can comfortably predict he will suffer no ostracism from his peers, though he will be expected to keep his head down for a while.
If any here think he will re-form his attitudes or habits, they are unfortunately mistaken, IMO, the level of arrogance displayed openly by this man cannot be shaken merely because he was brought to book for, to him, a minor offence. Once he is released and is back among the Aristocracy he will only sneer even harder at the “chattering masses”, us, purely as a defence-mechanism common to all.
To those who say..”He’s just a man”, to my mind that flies in the face of the bleedin’ obvious, his whole career as a judge has been spent at arms length from us, and being the face of Libertarian causes has only served to increase his sense of personal worth, he big-noting himself is no recommendation as an “ordinary man
Posted by Maximillion, Sunday, 29 March 2009 10:38:45 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
This morning Charles Waterstreet a Sydney barrister has a plea in the SMH for mercy to be shown to Justice Einfeld. I agree with him wholeheartedly.

Justice Einfeld is a Jewish person, but while he is in Australia he should be entitled to every bit of protection our law extends to all of us. We have a written Constitution. As the late Lionel Murphy said, we cannot have inconsistent laws. The confinement of Justice Einfeld in a jail, is inconsistent with established laws, and while Almighty God works in strange ways, He is probably using Justice Einfeld to demonstrate both His mercy and His power.

By s 118 Constitution full faith and credit shall be given throughout the Commonwealth to the laws, the public acts and records, and the judicial proceedings of every State. In Victoria an Act from 1297, is part of the Public Acts of That State, and it is the Statute of Westminster the First [1297]. It says because elections ought to be free the King ( Almighty God) commandeth upon great forfeiture, that no man by force of arms, nor by malice, or menacing shall disturb any to make free election.

The key words in this Statute are malice and election. Malice in its legal sense means unlawfully, and election means free choice. Since Justice Einfeld was given no free choice to elect to pay a fine or go to jail, he has not been sentenced according to law. The fine is set by a Statute passed by the Parliament of the Commonwealth, for three years jail at $19,800 by the formula set out at S 4B Crimes Act 1914 ( Cth) enacted in 1987 and amended the last time in 1992. It is still law.

Justice Einfeld is entitled to the protection of that section, as are numerous other prisoners, because S 5 Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act 1900 makes this law binding on the courts, judges and people of every State notwithstanding anything in the laws of any State. That is where malice comes in; the word malicious is qualified to mean simply unlawful
Posted by Peter the Believer, Sunday, 29 March 2009 11:33:52 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
  1. Pages:
  2. 1
  3. 2
  4. 3
  5. ...
  6. 10
  7. 11
  8. 12
  9. Page 13
  10. 14
  11. 15
  12. 16
  13. 17
  14. 18
  15. All

About Us :: Search :: Discuss :: Feedback :: Legals :: Privacy