why is collective bargaining between women's and men's legislatures smart?

because collective bargaining is a pillar of democracy.

the States certainly considered collective bargaining smart when they campaigned for the inclusion of a Senate in the Australian Constitution, albeit that States' rights have largely since been assumed by the Commonwealth.

collective bargaining between women's and men's legislatures substitutes the bargaining between the principal stakeholders at Federation, the States and the Commonwealth from which women were prohibited representation, now obsolete, with bargaining between the principal stakeholders with distinct life experience, the essence of governance, which comprise the people.

prohibiting women at Federation and then claiming women are the same as men a century later is a nonsense.

for those not up to speed with this discussion, profiling with a focus on the individual is smart because stereotypes thrown up by the guesswork and speculation associated with individual bargaining between women and men may be misleading.

moreover, in a post which also contained a link to an enlightening video, Fractelle referred to separate women's and men's legislative councils as apartheid, erroneously in my view because neither gender is disadvataged by their equitable representation in collective bargaining.

Women are paid less then men in most jobs.
Sure it may be against the law to discriminate,
however, discrimination is hard to prove - and
there's lots of "wiggle room," for the courts.
"Do you want kids or cash?" seems to be a common
ethos.

There are very few female company CEOs.
High School Principals are still men.
As are Heads of Public Regional Libraries.
The IT industry has very few women employed.
Women doing the same jobs as men across the
trades will be on lower salaries.
Even women politicians as Dennis Pryor points out
in his booklet, "Political Pryorities," and I quote:

"Under the guise of useful experience women are
given every opportunity to stand for unwinnable seats
at elections. Those who get into Parliament find it
difficult to become Ministers or to get into Cabinet.
In spite of incessant rhetoric and equal opportunity the
mass of male Parliamentarians find it difficult to equate
women with positions of power. Many talented women are
now seeking to enter politics via influential positions
in the public service, where discrimination is waning,
rather than through the tedious and hypocritical process
of preselection and elections."

Women may have the talent, put in the hours, do the same
work, but whether they are Sales Reps., Library staff,
Administrative Office Staff, whether they are in the IT
industry, or even Architects, or Lawyers, their male
colleagues will be the ones earning the larger salaries,
and will have greater training opportunities and
job promotions made available to them.

That's a fact of life that women have to deal with.

Foxy:"High School Principals are still men."

I've pointed to two who aren't.

Foxy:"Women doing the same jobs as men across the
trades will be on lower salaries."

Rubbish.

Foxy:"Those who get into Parliament find it
difficult to become Ministers or to get into Cabinet.
In spite of incessant rhetoric and equal opportunity "

Julia Gillard disagrees with you. When Julie Bishop was sacked recently, she was asked about gender relevance and she said something like "politics is a tough game. I don't thing gender played ay part in this decision."

Foxy:"Many talented women are
now seeking to enter politics via influential positions
in the public service"

Where they don't have to compete against men, because talented men seek positions that challenge them, not positions that provide them with a sinecure. Talented + public service <> a challenging career.

Moreover, the public service has expanded dramatically over the past 10 years, largely because of all the "tallented" women seeking a job that doesn't require any work from them.

Foxy:"whether they are in the IT
industry, or even Architects, or Lawyers, their male
colleagues will be the ones earning the larger salaries,
and will have greater training opportunities and
job promotions made available to them. "

Prove it. I say you're speaking utter gobshite. A female Partner will earn equivalently to a male one, a female Asssociate ditto, a female graduate, ditto. A female graduate social worker might not get paid as well as a grad engineer or lawyer, but her working environment is so much less stressful, isn't it dear? Care for a coffeee and bickie?

Foxy:"That's a fact of life that women have to deal with."

No it's not. It's a standard whinge that men who want to get on with their spouses have to nod their heads and put up with. The reality is that women choose to have children and then they choose not to prioritise their careers for years and then they whinge because their male contemporaries continued putting in the work (talented or not) and they got rewards commensurate with their efforts.

The domination of females in the education system has proven a complete failure. We have large number of boys confused by their genders when they should be affirmed. Young boys are turning into angry men because they are continually hen pecked. The sooner people accept that men are better at some things than woman and vice versa the better. I wonder whether the growth of Islam is a reaction (albeit foolish) to some woman wanting to wear the pants. Nothing could be more unnatural.

Affirmative action (how on earth you could ever call it affirmative?) is a prime example of men being discriminated against by less competent women. Affirmative action would be giving the most competent person the job. Employing 5 foot 3 policewomen to tackle the violence by the many anti social people these days is nothing short of an exercise in stupidity. 'Gender equality' however will win out and you will employ 4 small women instead of 2 strong men. I could go on by you get the drift

Dear Antiseptic,

I'm not going to argue with you and tear
into your post, point by point. Or call
you a neanderthal - tempted as I may be.
I won't even whinge or offer you a bickie...
I won't even say that you're a bitter
and twisted .....(you fill in the word),
because that would be stooping down to
your nastiness, which all of us females
have experienced from you on OLO in the past.

I'm going to stand my high-ground,
and let you go on thinking that all
females are door mats - put on this
earth especially for you to demonstrate
your superiority - Big Man!

And, by the way, I am a
university graduate (got my degrees, while
working full time, and raising a family). I
work in a private company - along
with several other qualified females - none
of us get the salaries of our male colleagues.

And, yes, we do exactly the same work - (actually,
I had to train quite a few of the guys!)

But hey, you know better!

two High School Principals is a smallish sample.
tradies ain't rubbish.
Julia Gillard and Julie Bishop comprise one third of the eighth, six of 48 or thereabouts, women cabinet and shadow ministers.
the Commonwealth is an equal opportunity employer.
there are few famous women architects or lawyers, plenty social workers.
having children is work.

runnermen how can Australian men be discriminated against by less competent women when Australia's Constitution mandates that men boss over women?