David,
You obviously haven't read the historian Daniel Henri-Rops on Church history.
And haven't read Rabbi Dallin's defence of Pope Pius XII who has been defamed by many Communist sources funded by the former Commo governments of the USSR and Eastern Bloc.
You also need to read former Chief Rabbi of Rome's story, Israel Zolli: http://www.secondexodus.com/html/more/zolli.htm

this site is written by Jews who are all now Catholics.

Also David why did the Dutch Catholic bishops get thrown in concentration camps? Answer: they all spoke out against Nazism and the deportation and murder of Dutch Jews.
David, you are trying to convince yourself from slanted sources that are either religiously anti Catholic in outlook or secular liberal or socialist left.

Ah Webby, no anger at all, just a very low tolerance, for stupid,
ill informed people :)

As it happens, one of my hobbies is neuroscience. So I have a reasonable understanding of development, when it comes to the
human brain.

Now you would have to agree with me that an 8 cell embyro does
not have a human brain. Or do you deny this?

The first time that anything resembling a human brain is finally
assembled, is around week 23-24.

Most abortions happen before week 12.

So no children, no babies, no emotive crap as you claim, but fact.
Embryos are not people, people have human brains.

So sorry, its game, set, match :)

Now you go off to pray a bit, it keeps you off the streets lol.

Dear Webby,
A little information on the split between the DLP and the ALP might be of interest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B.A._Santamaria

“Labor Split and National Civic Council

In 1954 Evatt publicly blamed "the Groupers" for Labor's defeat in that year's federal election, and after a tumultuous National Conference in Hobart in 1955, Santamaria's parliamentary followers were expelled from the Labor Party. The resulting split (now usually called "The Split", although there have been several other "splits" in Labor history) brought down the Labor governments in Victoria and Queensland.

In Victoria, Mannix threw the resources of the Church behind Santamaria, but in New South Wales, Norman Cardinal Gilroy opposed him, favouring the traditional alliance between the Church and Labor. Gilroy's influence in Rome ended official Church support for the Movement as well as, reportedly, Mannix's chances to be elevated to the Cardinalate.

Santamaria founded a new organisation no longer an organ of Catholic Action, the National Civic Council (NCC), and edited its newspaper, News Weekly, for many years. His followers, known as Groupers, continued to control a number of important unions. Those expelled from the Labor Party formed a new party, the Democratic Labor Party (DLP), dedicated to opposing both Communism and the Labor Party, which they said was controlled by Communist sympathisers. Santamaria never joined the DLP but was its unofficial leader and guiding influence.”

Webby wrote: “David, you are trying to convince yourself from slanted sources that are either religiously anti Catholic in outlook or secular liberal or socialist left.”

The above is nonsense. Catholics I am friendly with do not spit the dummy at every mildly progressive act. The DLP is a paranoid group that sees reds under the bed. Communist sympathisers do not control the ALP. Even the Catholic Church hierarchy does not back the DLP. Norman Cardinal Gilroy ended Catholic support for the DLP. Mannix’s support for Santamaria put paid to the chance of his becoming a cardinal. The DLP will remain an unimportant rump group that most Catholics have too much sense to support.

Santamaria supported Franco and Mussolini. Most Catholics do not support fascists.

Dear Webby,

It's very interesting that some Jews became Catholic. One Jew who was never a Christian is Jesus Christ. If you were really a follower of his you would follow his religion not a religion set up by other people. I wrote a song on the subject which I sang on the radio to the tune of the old jazz standard.

The Imitation of Christ (consult your local rabbi!)

6 ft 2
Eyes of blue
Jesus Christ, he was a Jew
Has anybody seen my Lord?

Big hooked nose
There he goes
Preaching so that everyone knows.
Has anybody seen my Lord?

Speared in the abdomen
By a Roman,
Blood gushing out.

Rose from the dead,
So it is said.
People believe without a doubt.

Jesus died,
Still a Jew.
Still a Jew so why aren't you?
Has anybody seen my Lord?

Should be backed up by a moldy fig jazz band with a lead wahwah cornet ala Muggsy Spanier

It is easy to dismiss anything that disagrees with you as left wing, secular etc. That's a good way to avoid listening to anybody else.

I don't believe there is such a thing as religious truth. I wish you well.

Good night,

David

Examinator appointed me as Minister for the Artz and Having a Good Time.

And now is the time for a li'l entertainment break.

Reflect on this, my good people, as the Kinkster performs his epiphanic epic live from Dublin:

"They ain't makin' Jews like Jesus anymore"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0ZMj5RksbE

Thanks Fractelle! I've been a Kinky Friedman fan since the 70s. Other pertinent songs include:

* "Get Your Biscuits in the Oven and Your Buns in the Bed"
* "High on Jesus"

and of course

* "Ride 'Em Jewboy"

While I'm here, I'll just note that TRUTHNOW78 has once again elicited a large number of responses to his/her intitial troll, without participating at all in the discussion.

Pretty successful, I'd say.