Beale quarantie inquiry suggesting foot and mouth disease be brought to Australia. Tony Burke refuses to put a stop to it - but wait! there is more. The Rudd Government doesnt know who suggested it?:) Ah come on Mr Burke dont be so modest.

http://qcl.farmonline.com.au/news/nationalrural/livestock/news/foot-and-mouth-import-plan-mystery/1441645.aspx?src=enews

On behalf of all of us at PALE Mr Rudd we want to thank you for putting your foot in it by appointing a Minister of Ag who knows nothing about the Industry.
It would seem you are a man of your word after all.
You did say at your pre election pitch you would phase out the cruel live animal trade and put the jobs back into Australia to value add.

It would seem however you have gone one better wiping the meat industry out of the country completlty over night.

With Respect Mr Prime Minister may we humbly request some of the rescue be given to the Premiers of each state to elimiate the risk of bird flue in Australia. Also intensive piggerys. You can do that by prodiving humane treatment. Oh, and could you please pass a law to stop the birds being throw in the fire ALIVE and then dropped into boiling water still ALIVE and screaming in pain and fear. Its enough to turn you off your KFC.

Thank You Mr Kevin Rudd Prime Minister of Australia

You've just written that with KFC product, the animals are thrown into the fire ALIVE, and are then dropped into boiling water still ALIVE.

Prove it!

TZ52HX,
don't hold your breath waiting for proof. Pale is apparently of the impression the feathers are burned off to start with, and it's all downhill from there. Fortunately pale has very good in-house lawyers to fend off such frivolous libel cases.

pale has for a change got a very good point about risk management associated with the importation of diseases into Australia, scrutiny is not a bad thing. One wonders what can be achieved merely by having FMD within Australian borders, however if it is about creating vaccines in case of real oubreak and not having to rely on foreign supply of vaccine then doing so has my support.

*You've just written that with KFC product, the animals are thrown into the fire ALIVE, and are then dropped into boiling water still ALIVE.*

Prove it!
Posted by TZ52HX,

No, no Nicky You have shot yourself in the foot again. In your hast to rush in to put the boot into pale it seems you have overlooked something called the law.
I said
*Its enough to turn you off your KFC.* Prime Minister

Now you have wrongly accused our organisation of saying PALE said KFC toss their birds in fires while still alive- and they often come out screaming in pain only to be tosed in boiling water still alive.

Speaking of hot water- you sure do have a way of getting into it.

I guess we will be seeking your Id next. Still wont be any surprises there.

Rojo

*That would leave the proposal to be made privately to the panel or during a series of meetings, or suggested individually by the panel above those consulted, but there has been no confirmation of any of those options.*

Your support is noted

Seemed a perfectly reasonable reading of the sentence to me, PALE&IF.

>>please pass a law to stop the birds being throw in the fire ALIVE and then dropped into boiling water still ALIVE and screaming in pain and fear. Its enough to turn you off your KFC.<<

If you were not intending the reader to assume you meant KFC, why mention them?

In order to be "put off" our meal, you ask us to envisage the chicken being burnt and boiled alive. Or more accurately, "still ALIVE and screaming in pain and fear"

I'm with TZ52HX on this one, not just because the nick sounds like a sneeze. You really ought to substantiate your accusation.

On reading those 2 sentences written by PALEIF, it "initially" seemed obvious the he was connecting KFC with those inhumane practices. I have no doubt that is EXACTLY the implication he intended, but it seems he has been clearly well versed in the legalities of sentence construction when it applies to libel. It's worded in such a way as to "imply" a KFC connection, yet at the same time gives him plenty of room to manoeuvre a denial of that "implication" if someone calls him on the charge.

That's clever use of the language, and also utterly disreputable use of the language. Son, if you really wish to fight against animal cruelty, as any sane and humane person would, then the first place to begin is with your own credibility, your own honesty and your own integrity! Being a smart arse with your sentence construction does your cause no service at all.

Don't hold your breath, Pericles.

And TZ52HX - there's absolutely nothing clever about it, trust me.

Reminiscent of the Infinite Monkey Theorem, PALE&IF occasionally posts something that makes sense, but I've come to the conclusion that it's entirely random.

Pericles,

This is all I can find about KFC-
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/07/10/2300557.htm

http://www.google.com.au/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&q

Wasn`t it you who posted about this poultry industry some time back on that Animal Liberation thread. Perhaps not I might be wrong. Perhaps it was someone else. Never mind its not important.

The only other thing I can tell you is our lawyer /member did take statements off four woman and has been making contact with media.

I am not at libity to disclose what was contained in those statements and in fact I havent seen them.

I do know however that they all told the same story as to how these birds were kept killed.

I hope he manages to get the story out. Its very difficult for the media at times given the graffic pictures not to mention content to film privacy ..etc.
If anybody can it will be him. I know he was very upset for weeks about it and still is.

I hope this helps.
Oh and there was NO mention of KFC. Dont think they would know where the chooks went.

possibly a dozen different outlets

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/07/10/2300557.htm

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=594236

http://www.throng.com.au/big-brother/pamela-anderson-gives-kfc-a-twis

On reading post 2 written by TZ52HX, it "initially" seemed obvious the he was connecting on to OLO as a 'first poster'given the history on olo to take a swipe at pale .

I have no doubt that is EXACTLY the implication he intended, but it seems he has been clearly well versed in the legalities of sentence construction when it applies to libel.

So we would like to say sorry Nicky, because we know thats 'certainly' not you.

Had we wished to say, to the Prime Minister, Pamala Anderson, said KFC were throwing birds into boiling water- the fact is we would have could have. Given that its not been denied by plants and PETA have it on video.

"However thats not what we said." We are perhaps as you said a bit more versed in law than PETA and yet to see any direct evidence of KFC carrying out such practises themselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFgbHK6yP2g

Robert a member/lawyer in particluar was impressed especially considering he`s the one who has spent hours upon hours in his own time typing statementsof four poultry workers . He`s been deeply effected by it.
Well at least Morgan gets to see some pictures of Pamala that he addmiited in the past to enjoy. So there you go something for everyone, including gooses that jump in and make a turkey`s out of themselves.

We are sincere in our efforts to educate people as to what is really happening on in this country behind closed doors of DPI codes of practise.
If you have a heart then think of the animals pls and let us do our job. Thank you
http://blog1.rspcasa.asn.au/2008/07/23/naked-chef-exposes-brutal-layer-and-meat-chicken-industry/

PALEIF, so let me "try" at least to interpret your mangled English.

Are you saying, "Nicky, because we know that's certainly not you" as a sarcastic statement that really means, "Nicky, because we know that's certainly IS you"? Note, that in an earlier post you "implied", for some reason, that I am a person called Nicky.

Also, you have claim that I have registered here for the sole purpose of "to take a swipe at PALE".

Now, let's consider these two accusations from you. In your initial post you imply that KFC performs animal cruelty. I reply by asking you to "prove it". That post was, at that stage, my only post in my history here referring to you. I had written about 20 or so posts on various subjects.

As a result of my two word challenge "prove it", you have come to the conclusion I am someone called "Nicky" and that the sole purpose for my presence on this forum was to "take a swipe at PALE" as a "first poster".

So there we have it, when challenged with a simple "prove it" this person has INSTANTLY come up with 2 conspiracy theories, (1) I am a person called "Nicky" and (2) my sole purpose on this site is to get PALEIF, from my very first post.

PALEIF is obviously immature, and I now realise quite uneducated (you only need to read his/her mangled English). He/she refused to apologise to KFC regarding the false implication of animal cruelty, and instead tries to make up silly little "conspiracy theories" if anyone calls him/her on the dishonesty of the false KFC animal cruelty implication.

Unfortunately, by writing such idiot posts, he/she does no service whatsoever to the wonderful cause of animal protection and the many organisations involved. With his/her mangled, uneducated English and paranoiac little conspiracy theories, the welfare of animals is left behind. Whoever you are, maybe you should stop "claiming" a connection to this great animal welfare and protection group, as your idiot posts obviously bring their fantastic work into disrepute.

YOU are a LIABILITY to the cause.

Indeed, TZ52HX.

However, I agree that we should be concerned about the dangers of foot and mouth disease - particularly since its variant 'foot in mouth disease' is already here, as exemplified in PALE&IF's garbled posts.

More seriously, I agree that PALE&IF's comments here are generally a liability to the cause of animal welfare.

It seems to me that if PALEIF is aware of such an offense he is
obliged to inform the police and will be committing an offense if
he does not do so.
Have you informed the police, if not then why are you telling us
all about this ?
I'll bet you have not even told the RSPCA who have the authority to
act and arrest.

Ummm, PALEIF has denied he/she implied animal cruelty by KFC, despite making that implication rather clear in his/her first post: The 2 sentences on the subject were written in a way that enables PALEIF to squirm out out the "implied" cruelty accusation.

However, there's no doubt Foot And Mouth Disease is serious subject matter, as is "genuine" cases of cruelty towards animals both in business and domestic situations.

The poster here, who uses the screen name PALE&IF, is a liability to the worthy cause of animal protection.

It is obvious to me that there is a genuine apology to Nicky.
It is equally obvious that posters are neither really interested in the topic regarding FMD nor do they show any real interest in the overall cruelty to the chicken in slaughter houses.

IMOP the comments made are solely directed at the Author of the tread,
and may I add have absolutely or little relevance to what is supposed to be discussed.

G'day socky, we missed ya.

Bugsy, I'll take it as more than coincidence that you mean me, now that I have discovered i've psuedonymed myself a brand of socks. If it ever snowed up here (or that I had shopped for socks in recent memory) I may have picked up on your note quicker. Cheers.

Having said all that if you were refering to someone else, well lets just put this post down to F in MD.