“My life of learning is fact , not made up, it continues, NSW has Dickie made it so hard people no longer control burn in winter, just the simple truth.”

Belly. If retards wish to perpetuate fallacies about another, they need to be a little less obtuse. I happen to be an advocate of prescribed burning. Do you have a remedial teacher in your area to assist with your "life of learning is fact not made up?" Ahem!

The completion rate of prescription burns in WA forests happens to be greater than in Victoria because WA forests occur in areas of mainly gentle topography, experience much more predictable weather patterns, and are usually dry enough in winter for prescribed burning. Nevertheless, the bushfires continue. In contrast, large portions of eastern Australian forests in winter are too wet for prescribed burning.

Sadly, your pig-ignorance prevents you from understanding that. It also prevents you from understanding that as land clearing and land degradation significantly impacts on Australia’s biodiversity, resource managers must consider the effects of prescribed burning on local ecology.

Fire has extremely complex effects on biodiversity because of the number of interdependent species existing in various environments. (check “biodiversity” in your dictionary – if you have one!)In addition Dumbo, as present-day fauna and flora populations are much reduced compared with pre-European times, it is now important to preserve the remaining biodiversity.

contd…..

Onya, Belly, for opening up some of the suppressed issues that amplify the severity of a natural feature of the Australian countryside, bushfires.

Bushfires are no respecters of title or tenure. They make no distinction between 'world heritage areas', national parks, State forests, farming land, or residential enclaves. The only distinction they make is that as to fuel-load. Their management requires a paramountcy of authority able to be exercised by, and on behalf, of the entire non-urban community. Like it once used to be exercisable at the volunteer bushfire brigade level of yesteryear, with its (local volunteer) brigade captain having paramountcy of authority in a bushfire situation even over the police! It has been the capture of bushfire control policy formation by sectional interests, and a fragmented bureaucracy reflecting them, that has contributed to bushfire severity, a situation that must be reversed and made truly representative of the non-urban community once again.

The frustration of controlled burn programs, be they on private or public land, by the over-complicated bureaucratic superstructure and maze of legislated prohibitions that has been put in place is an obvious factor in the immediate term leading to severity in the inevitable fires that must occur.

Perhaps not so obvious is the role of local government tree preservation and 'no burn' ordinances, and, at least in NSW, that of the Native Vegetation Act, in contributing to the fuel-load build-up that controlled burns would, if they were allowed to be undertaken without hindrance, mitigate.

Australia surely must return to a situation with respect to private land where the owner or lawful occupier does not have to be constantly looking over their shoulder in anticipation that some meddling busybody can interfere with the management of fire risk on their land.

A Royal Commissioner, if such is sincerely interested and the terms of reference sufficient, may rise above partisan politics and inquire into these many suppressed non-urban community concerns. Let's hope for a Commissioner that will reveal the sectional policy hijacking in detail, and come up with truly representative and workable recommendations.

"Common sense prevails. If its a wooden house, in the
middle of a bunch of trees, you are asking for trouble.
If its a brick home, surrounded by pasture, it can easily
be saved."

Common sense would seem to suggest this is true. The severity of a fire is a complex function of a number of factors: fuel load, air temperature, the right humidity levels, wind speed and topography etc.

However, there have been times when pastures have very quickly burnt as well. During the 2003 Canberra fires for example, there were reports of horses in paddocks not being able to escape the fireblast and of fire quickly ripping up the valley at the back of the suburb of Curtin even though it happened right in the middle of a drought and there was very little ground fuel. Don't know what contributed to this, but it could have been the valley acting as a flue as the wind blew up its sides. From memory, three houses were lost in the streets that abutted this land.

Most of the houses lost in Canberra (there were about 500) were in the hilly suburban fringe which lay adjacent to pine plantations and native bushland. The homes were lost due to ember attack as the wind fiercely blew a hail of sparks of all sizes towards the houses. There's no way to defend a house against a barrage of Roman candles. So, the moral to the story is that if you want to live in amongst bushland, you need to be aware of the risks.

*An argument against frequent broadacre burning policies and their limited effectiveness was raised by S Pyne in “Burning Bush” (1991) who argued that, under the worst weather conditions, prescription burning fails to effectively control fire fronts. *

Sheesh Dickie, you and your pencil pushing mates lack one thing,
any kind of common sense!

Perhaps its time that you got off your arse and went and faced
a fire front to see what really happens out there.

The point is, the less fuel load, the more chance you have of
extinguishing a fire. So what if they don't "effectively control
fire fronts"?

In the 60'000 acre fire that I was involved with, not a single
farmhouse was lost. Reason being that none were built in the
middle of a patch of gum trees. Some houses did catch alight
by embers falling in the gutters, but they were easily extinguished
by the many volunteers.

*Most of the houses lost in Canberra (there were about 500) were in the hilly suburban fringe which lay adjacent to pine plantations and native bushland. The homes were lost due to ember attack as the wind fiercely blew a hail of sparks of all sizes towards the houses*

Exactly. If you live next to a whole lot of gum trees and especially
if your house is made of wood, the barrage of embers, due to the
fuel load, could well burn your house down.

Dickie “Ram-root, Retard and Rouge-rat will continue to corrupt yet another thread by ad hominen, heinously indifferent to Australia’s mourning for its dead humans,”

Re-reading my own posts I fail to see where you can detect any “ad hominine” or “heinously indifferent” whatevers which dickie talks about

Reading Belly’s post likewise, a posting which attacked no one….

The one most virulent, to the point of being toxic seems to be dickie, famous for making claims of people lying only to be seem to back down when challenged.

I guess this is another of those times

So dickie please quote from my posts the “Ad-hominine” and “heinously indifferent” comments to which you refer

And remember one thing – if I do not get

the quotation from my post which you are referring to
or
your abject climb-down and public apology ,

I will stalk you from thread to thread until I do
And you know I am good for it.

“You do not go to the butcher for gardening advice, we must understand and fix this problem watch the Royal commissions outcomes see if I or Dickie has it right.” (Belly)

Right about what "Butcher?" Please enlighen me forthwith or will snivelling and evasion remain your preferred strategy now that I've again exposed you as a liar and clearly an illiterate?

“Sheesh Dickie, you and your pencil pushing mates lack one thing,
any kind of common sense!”

“Exactly. If you live next to a whole lot of gum trees and especially
if your house is made of wood, the barrage of embers, due to the
fuel load, could well burn your house down.”

What an astonishing revelation Yabby. Who on earth would have known that and how could we simpletons have realised that to sustain a fire, one must have a supply of fuel?

And without a doubt, both you and the other hero, will be duly recognised for the wonderful contributions you have made towards the preservation of life and limb in this nation.

Had you not advised us yourselves, of the magnificent work you have performed for Australia, we would never have known. I now honour you both with the One Star Hoppy badge for Chunder and an official entry into Australia’s Hall of Drongos:

“In the 60'000 acre fire that I was involved with, not a single
farmhouse was lost.”

“I have served in 8 different brigades, never one that did not have a member" ??

“In 1956, we fought fires, tried to kill them ASAP.

“From an 11 year old fully active fire fighter, long before brown books or formal training”

And nary a mention from the "Comedy of Errors" on the absolute necessity for a mandatory requirement for bunkers, basements or even old fashioned air raid shelters, constructed to protect humans, valuables and pets, in bushfire prone country.