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Bush Fire

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Let's open our eyes.
Did not we know that year by year the temperature goes higher?
Did not we know that year by year the weather become more strange, stronger and unpredictable?
Was we idiots to understand that under these conditions the risks, for devastating fires and loses of lifes are extremely high?
What did we do to prevend the loses of lifes from fires?
Last year, what was the cost from terrorist attacks and what from fires?
Last year how much costed our fight against the terrorists and how much money we spend to improve our abilities to wipe the fires?
How much money we wasted for one milion stupid reasons and how much to save lifes from fires, and other natural disasters?
Why we did not use our military forces to wipe the fires from the very begin?
We send them to Iraq or Afganistan but we had problem to send them to save the lifes from our families?
How did we educate our people about the fires, what kind of advices did we give them?
The financial crisis, the climate change, the fires in victoria and much more disasters have something very common. The big corporations which control our system are interested mainly if not only for the profit and not for the quality or the loses of human lifes.
We will lose much more lifes, we will see many more disasters, we will suffer harder and for longer until to unterstand that human lifes are more important from the profits, that WE MUST CHANGE DIRECTION IF WE DO NOT LIKE TO DESTROY THE FUTURE OF OUR CHILDREN AND GRAND-CHILDREN.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaid
Posted by ASymeonakis, Monday, 9 February 2009 9:52:58 PM
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examinator.

Definitely the best bet is to bail as early as possible. I've seen some people say they got caught pure and simple. They had no intention of attempting to be the hero and save the house. They just got trapped.

I think if you're to build a bunker, or shelter, you'd most definitely need to put some thought into it. I guess it'll be much like the bunkers in 'Tornado Alley' in the States. You'd need it in open ground to give yourself the best chance. Even if a grass fire passes over it'll all happen fairly swift. A bunker under a burning house would most definitely have the obvious dangers.

No harm in a preparation. Many died running. A terrible thing.
Posted by StG, Monday, 9 February 2009 10:03:10 PM
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*In December 2007, DEC (WA) allowed a convoy of trucks to proceed *

Gawd, Dickie and her red herrings. So a mistake was made. What does
that have to do with the fuel load in forest fires?

Yes, large areas of WA burn every year, in the NW. WA covers a third
of this nation, with 10% of the population. Prescribed burns of
forest happen in the SW and they achieve results.

In the NW, with hardly any people and lots of areas having hardly
any cattle too, of course the place will burn when lightning
strikes. Nature is taking its course up there.

*Seemingly you are unaware Yabby that a bushfire can jump paddocks and wide roads?*

Seemingly you should stick to houswork Dickie, more like your
area of expertise:) Of course fires can jump paddocks and wide
roads. If you had fought fires, you would know that. But it is
far easier to extinguish the odd spot fire that might jump a
break, if you are in position and ready to go, then it is to
extinguish a whole firefront wall of flames, where you have
no chance.

*man is no longer a match for an irate Mother Nature*

Err man (woman) never was a match for mother nature, you remain
confused dear.

Time for your cup of chamomille and a lie down...
Posted by Yabby, Monday, 9 February 2009 10:40:26 PM
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I considered the bunker idea as well long ago, until a fireman told me that many people die of asphyxiation when the available oxygen is sucked out of the air by the intense flames in a fire-storm scenario. Many people sheltering in swimming pools can suffer this fate.

When it's that intense, petrol driven pumps shut down (although diesel fares a little better).

No easy solution.
Posted by wobbles, Tuesday, 10 February 2009 12:20:16 AM
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My heart goes out to all those who have lost.

ITS MURDER AND THE PENATLY IS LIFE.

And if a child is responsible, depending on the facts, and age, the courts are well versed in these matters.

But dead-sh@ts walk with us. ( key is commonsense ) = ( ... you fill in the gap.

EVO
Posted by EVO2, Tuesday, 10 February 2009 1:31:00 AM
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I have no intention to be rude.
But the Dickie's of this world are the problem never the answer.
Fancy being pulled up for snide remarks by such.
My life of learning is fact , not made up, it continues, NSW has Dickie made it so hard people no longer control burn in winter, just the simple truth.
National parks are no burn zones, and home for future fatal fire storms, killing animals and whole forests for years, because they follow rules the Australian bush does not.
In the deepest forest, 11 klm of narrow bush tracks, dead trees hanging over the road waiting to fall and block it.
Live a community of males, the last 50 meters of that track is winding and barely walking pace road, the home has trees bigger than it , one built inside its walls.
They are conservationists, dead men walking, if fire comes they like 100,s die, pets die with them, we must all be conservationists.
In memory of so much pain so many we cry for we must fix the problem.
We got into this problem by giving ground to people who know nothing of this tragedy's roots, the real reasons it took place.
You do not go to the butcher for gardening advice, we must understand and fix this problem watch the Royal commissions outcomes see if I or Dickie has it right.
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 10 February 2009 5:07:57 AM
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