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Naturopathy: of value or other?

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"Who diagnosed the "auto-immune disease and the fluctuating blood sugar levels" and who said that you were "cured", a GP or the naturopath. I'm not trying to be sarky, but it is important that we consider the placebo effect in your case as well( or mine, or anyone's)"

Both conditions were diagnosed by competent and well-qualified doctors and in both cases the diagnosis was based on the results from QML pathology tests.

The absence of the auto-immune disease has since been verified by several repeats of the same tests and again their interpretation by a qualified doctor.

I have not verified the stabilisation of my blood sugar levels. It's a four-hour test so not something I'd do unless I really had to. I won't but I could detail a long list of symptoms I previously suffered and now don't. I really don't need any test to prove I've made a huge recovery in this area. It would be a waste of my time and QML/government resources to attempt to do so, even though in some ways I'd like to.

I haven't come across you much on OLO, but most people familiar with my posting would I think accept that as a rule I exercise a healthy degree of scepticism on most issues. I'm strongly against blind faith-based acceptance of any dogma, be it religious or as in this case alternative medicine. I always base my assessment on any such issue on hard evidence.

Usual Suspect

"Is there a regulatory/accreditation system for Naturapaths?"

Yes, as far as I know, there is. Private health insurers will only make payments on visits to accredited naturopaths. Last I checked, the insurer I'm with, Australian Unity, had a list of nine such accreditation agencies.
Posted by Bronwyn, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 1:00:06 PM
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Thanks Celivia.
I passed that site onto my friend. I am sure it will help. Sodium levels are extremely important as are iodine levels (always buy the iodised salt!)

Pelican.
The knowledge of witchcraft that christians have, comes from contact with the dark side of the spirit war.
Christians all through history have done battle with demon powers, actually seeing them and having to rebuke them in the Name of their Lord, Jesus Christ.
Demons are no fairy mythology.
They are real and give testimony satans existance.
Warlocks and witches are real people, considerably gone astray.
They apply incantations and they open doors to audible and visual contact with demons.
In the higher ranks, sacrifice still occurs.
Witchcraft people do not sacrifice to non-existant powers.
One pastor I knew of had stats that showed that after pagan and witchcraft festivals in the US and the UK police recorded an increase in the number of missing person in those areas.
Ive seen demon powers three or four or more times, as have many other born again christians that I know.
Its no imagination.
What it is, is one huge spirit war for the souls of the peoples of earth...and one very dark, evil side that wants to kill everything that it can.

That dark, evil side has done well at getting mankind to kill the creatures of earth for the sake of the love of money.

Anyone who plays with magic... even Harry Potters junior grade magic...has no idea what they are doing.
Posted by Gibo, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 3:29:00 PM
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Gibo says "Christians all through history have done battle with demon powers, actually seeing them and having to rebuke them in the Name of their Lord, Jesus Christ. Demons are no fairy mythology."

Give my regards next time you have to rebuke one of Beelzebub's helpers.

Naturopathy looks pretty sensible compared to a belief in demons. But maybe that's just me?
Posted by Johnj, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 5:21:42 PM
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Johnj.

Its a modern tragedy that todays youth have no experience with conflict against the fallen realm.

All that seems to interest them is the physical... the physical and the material...how to fill the belly with the pleasures of life.

Anything else is mostly closed off to modern youth and they make lifes decisions, from a platform of ignorance.

Many view everything as if all there was... is what they can see.

You youngsters ought to get into the Bible.
Ephesians 6:12 to 18 speaks about the great battle between good and evil when it says..."For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms"...

People die every day and end up in hell because they turned away from the Bibles knowledge...i.e. that there is a Saviour (Jesus Christ) and we have to go to Him on a personal level to avoid the Final Judgment for sin.
Receive Jesus and get set free.
Posted by Gibo, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 5:52:12 PM
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Strange, gibo. You'd think that with this international, ancient spirit-war going on, somebody, somewhere would have snapped a photo of one of these demons.

Or that some of these 'warlocks' would have been sighted. Or that somewhere, somehow, there was a reliable record of such things.
Or that a reputable television station, or a newspaper would have uncovered this conspiracy. Or that people who don't believe in Jesus and god, would have the ability to see these demons too. Or that somewhere, somehow, at some time, somebody would have proved that this wasn't just insane claptrap.

Of course, you can explain this all away with more fairy tales. That's the beauty of fairy tales, you can just keep making them up as you go along.
I've got an inkling that you'll just say they're roolly roolly powerful so they can like, totally hide and stuff and are so magical they can rearrange things or ignore reality when they're uncovered.
(Kind of like you).

So, lets recap:

Which is likelier:

A) A vast international conspiracy of demons, warlocks and witches exist, but only you and other people who share your particular brand of weirdness can see them.

B) Somebody has an overactive imagination and might need medication.

The fact that I can say this, knowing full well that you're capable of rejecting logic and common sense outright, tends to confirm my view that B) is a likelier answer.

I'm not saying this to be harsh, but honestly, can't you see how insane you sound? If you really do believe these things, I can only honestly urge you to seek psychological help.
Posted by TurnRightThenLeft, Thursday, 1 January 2009 3:24:54 PM
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TRTL.
I havent seen a photo of one but it is mostly an invisible spirit war.
Christians well know of spirits because of contact with these beings.
Max is an old christian friend from country QLD, actually a home church leader, and some years ago his boy had terrible nightmares until Max got sick of it all and asked The Lord to reveal what was going on and The Lord openned his mind up so he could see that a monkey-like creature was outside the boys window after dark causing the boy such bad nightmares. Max was then able to use The Lords Name to rebuke the creature and it left and never returned. Christians who have been around a while dont need photos of demons...many get to see them at their work. Their works are fear, anxiety, ugly dreams, lust and sexual immorality. Alcohol and drugs can open doors to them. Practicing witches and warlocks have no trouble contacting spirits. They do it all the time and end up possessed themselves.
The real sad cases are the simple peoples who have no idea whats going on and have closed their minds to the Bibles description of fallen powers.
Christian bookshops are full of testimonies about demons and possessions and oppressions by the dark powers.
People in 3rd world countries testify to local spirits quite often and how their villiages is bound to submission to them.
Im glad Im me actually.
Without having had contact with such creatures I might have wondered what Jesus was speaking about when His Word says that He cast out spirits from people.
Exorcisms are going on all the time.
People are getting set free... and I think its great!
If Holy Spirit-filled pastors could get into the asylums they could set many free.

*We are going to see a tremendous increase in exorcisms in the years ahead as the dark times approach when the Bibles antichrist rules the world for a period (Revelation 13:16-18/14:9-11).

Satans man is going to connect many people with spirits they will need to get rid of.
Posted by Gibo, Thursday, 1 January 2009 7:40:36 PM
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