Holy Hairshirts BatPoly and Gibo!

How on earth are we meant to go forth and multiply if we can't get physical?

Or was the big G refering to math?

Getting physical's fine Fractelle.

The Bible standard is not outside of marriage vows before The Lord, no homosexuality or lesbianism (His Commands), no animals (they got stoned to death in the Old Testament), no incest etc.

If we move from the standard then we can get the Judgment...and that can mean loss of civilisation.
So many civilisations have gone now, that had something for a while, then fell into immorality (the big one) and vanished shortly after.

Alright then gibo, lets get this absolutely specific. I don't want to go encouraging fire n' brimstone for the inappropriate secks (better be careful about which words I use too).

So, I've got the first few rules. No gay secks, no animals and only marital secks. Gotcha.

But, we need to be a little more specific here (well, not too specific, given the nature of the topic, but there's a grey area, I think) after all, in the modern world, issues are more complex.

Firsly - dildos. If we have a happily married couple, who are down with all the proper rules and requirements, are they allowed to be creative with a dildo? With a nod to the censors, I won't be explicit and won't mention any anatomical games here, but it's a valid biblical question. I'd like to know what the Christian fundamentalist dildo policy is.
Is it just the shape that's objectionable? What about vegetables? Will a cucumber suffice? I'm told they're rich in antioxidants.

Secondly - I'd like to know about clothing standards. At what point is the dress judged to be too revealing.
I'm assuming ankle is acceptable. The knee appears to be a grey area, but evidently the thigh is liable to provoke extreme acts of wanton lust.

But, I haven't heard of anyone picketing speedos. Presumably, they're acceptable as swimwear. So, I wonder, are budgie-smugglers contraband outside of beach zones? Bikinis? Are only one pieces allowed? Maybe we can have some flags for proper swimming areas and a different coloured flag for the 'safe speedo zone.'

So, I'd also like to know the christian fundamentalist policy on Speedos and bikinis, and the required amount of sand and/or water (in litres and cubic metres please, though if tradeoffs are possible I'd like to know the ratios, is sand worth more than water?) that must be in close proximity to the individual in question to warrant the wearing of the aforementioned aquatic paraphernalia.

Your answers are imperative. I wouldn't want to inadvertently cross the morality line.

Hi there Pericles. Well done! No..I didn't check it, so your work deserves full credit. I just accepted at face value this time.

I suppose this further re-inforces the reality of 'secular' myths again eh :)

My premise would not be based solely on that particular episode or that type of content. It would be based in basic psychology and social dynamics...how people and groups work. As you would have noticed, I mentioned opinion leaders/shapers etc.

I would still maintain that quite apart from the fumbling fonz speech, the issue is still quite true.

I would hazard a wild guess that if most of our TV content about females portrayed them as sex objects, chances are pretty high that eventually that's how they will be regarded.

One example from today.. FM station. The female dj was saying how she chucked on another person.. and this evoked a "ohh..yeah.. hahahaha" response rather than a "cringe/digust...eeuuuuwwwww ur kidding" one.

How we regard 'disgusting' behavior seems to me to be influenced by or reflected in...the youth fm stations.

Fraccy..what are you on about.. cannot get physical? huh? Back to the medicine cupboard but this time TAKE the pills. 0_^

SOLUTION. (which of course applies only if you see a problem)

Col & TRTL mention a few things...

For me..

SEX.... alluded to..not portrayed.
LOVE...should be featured.. as a common theme.
JUSTICE..as for Love.
DEVIANT behavior. Not shown or.. only shown with very negative consequences. Never shown with positive consequences.

There will be some exceptions to some of the above, but they would absolutely HAVE to be story based and not gratuitous.

Fratelle, I think that you are in big trouble for even considering pointed vegetables or other artificial aids. Gay secks is already out and any possible use of such a device by a male is obviously crossing that line. Perhaps if women were meant to get some pleasure from secks there might be some uses but her man can supply all the pleasure she needs.

"I would hazard a wild guess that if most of our TV content about females portrayed them as sex objects, chances are pretty high that eventually that's how they will be regarded."

I'd hazard a less wild guess if that if TV content persisted on staying too far from where people were at the shows would eventually be consigned to the ratings scrap heap. They might hang around for a few seasons for the novelty value but if people don't find something to relate to it gets old fast.

R0bert

That still doesn't clarify the dildo policy, and I remain ill-informed as to the sand-water requirements and ratios with regard to the permissible locations for the wearing of budgie-smugglers.

Am I to assume both are within the 'deviant' category? Where's the line?

Regrettably the forum decorum prevents me from clarifying further issues, but presumably, there are stringent requirements as to the appropriate sexual positions. Can you clarify which are deviant and which are not?

Seeing as apparently it's not just the issues of 'who' can have sex with who, but apparently 'how' as well.

Presumably, 'why' figures into it. I get that it's about expressing love... does that mean married couples can't do it when they're just plain bored?
What about when? Are there restrictions on daylight sex?
There's also some requirements from the 'where' I gather. I take it beds are allowed.
I'll therefore assume futons are ok as well, which presumably means sofas are permissible... what about wicker furniture?
Must it be indoors? Are there requirements as to illumination levels and style? Presumably the connotations of 'red' lights make them frowned upon, but perhaps something a bit less racy in a faintly lit lilac shade may be permissable?

I mean, if the threat of immorality and hellfire is hanging over our heads, we'd really best be clear about these things hadn't we?

We are permitted to discuss such things openly aren't we? Or is biblical-osmosis the only permitted form of instruction?

Are we heathens to be damned because nobody would explain it clearly to us?