Quite so, Foxy.

Lady Fingers are the best, I reckon.

TRTL

I just checked this thread and was momentarily horrified that someone had taken a comment I made to you at face value. Then I saw it was BD. 'Nuff said.

I am very cheered to notice, BTW, that both he and Gibo, while continuing to berate the lascivious and lust-inciting bikini babes, are sensible enough to realise that the sight of their own naked thighs and bulging budgie bowers, are the very antidotes to lust that we poor sinners need.

Perhaps, actually, they're onto something: perhaps posters of similarly scantily clad and elderly members of their congregation could be shown before each episode of Ally McBeal with the legend: "Beat Lust:Rent a Wrinkly"?

Romany, FTR, my suspicion is that boaz isn't the elderly type many assume him to be. My guess would be late thirties, perhaps forties but I could be wrong, though it's all academic and beside the point anyway.

Usually I wouldn't make any comment regarding any personal detail about someone... but *apparently*, boaz has left the building anyway, besides, I don't think making this comment can be construed as being in any way derogatory.
If anyone, including the person in question finds it objectionable, then of course I'd retract it and I wouldn't object to the censors removing it as personal details I think, are private.

Pericles. Well, that was certainly educational. That will certainly spice up the cucumber dishes I'm planning.
And the earlier anatomical comment was of course, all about the appropriate ergonomic chairs. The secks comments were racy, I'll grant you, though naturally I was referring to the condoned forms, taking place strictly via the missonary position (with a name like that, it must be okay) and without any devil vegetables.
Of course, you all knew that when I said 'marital aid' I meant cooking for a partner to make things easier for her.
Like I said, I'm all about the giving.

(Is that enough to grant salvation to my sinful cucumbers?)

My point is, was, and remains that when these issues are examined closely, the ridiculousness of them becomes quickly apparent. Ludwig, I think, has summed that up rather well.

I'd still like to know Gibo, precisely what places are acceptable locations for the wearing of speedos and why. How much sand and water do I need?

Getting slightly closer to "on-topic"...

Boaz, please accept this simple fact.

When you base an argument on a premise, and that premise is removed, there remains no more argument.

>>I happen to believe the Media does influence morality and I also happen to think this is not a chicken/egg thing but a self evident truth.... Now.. given the way the show was structured... I think at least some women would have said "You go girl!.. yep... stick it to him Ally"<<

Well of course you would.

Given that you "happen to believe" a "self-evident truth", there could never be any doubt that you would draw that conclusion.

Even though it is now down to "at least some women" verbalizing their approval, as opposed to armies of them rushing into the streets in short skirts, as your Fonz example would have had us believe.

As for this...

>>I don't know why you bother to make such a fuss about the original example. You can do much better by looking at other information for and against the assertion<<

It seems too obvious, but I should like to draw your attention to the protocol here.

When you put forward a post for general discussion, it is normal to expect you to provide the evidence. When that evidence is reduced to rubble, it is not then my responsibility to do the research that you should have done, before you rushed into print.

Give it a rest.

Go learn to dance.

Good Evening Poly,

The influence of television, like that of
other media, is in my opinion, difficult
to trace with any certainty, because it is
inevitably entangled in a multitude of
other influences on personality.

Any individual, from teenagers to adults,
may be influenced by many other agents
of socialization - religious groups,
youth organisations, and later in life,
such agents as employers, volunteer
associations like clubs, political
movements, and later again, retirement
homes.

Also youth culture (to which your thread
refers - with the 'Fonz'), depends heavily
on other media as well as television. For
example, popular music, FM radio, youth-
oriented magazines, and movies.

I personally feel that the greatest influence
is family life - and parent involvement.

Bertrand Russell said it well:

"Boredom is a vital problem for the moralist,
since at least half the sins of mankind are
caused by the fear of it."