I do appreciate yr candour *dAVId* and other contributions, as I seem to recall commenting on before.

;-)

That plus mention of our *Lord Satan* and it seems the "prayers" in this thread are getting louder. HaHaHa

But, for me, I no longer choose for my Being to become aroused by the sights, smells, memories or fantasies of others, but to be truthful, this is not always easy.

On this though, I think that at I depart from a view recently expressed by the Dalai Lama, in that shared orgasm whilst in Luv is most excellent "thing" capable of enriching the mind literally,

but,

I would also like to express the view that it is not for everyone and perhaps really does depend on the development of the individual concerned.

JC said something about this from memory for the Christians if I recall correctly - something about marriage being OKei for some, but not necessarily the right way to go for everyone.

Dear Fractelle.....

regarding your quote from Exodus 34, I gave that quite some thought, as I realize such sayings possibly represent a considerable barrier to faith.

There are a number of things which can be said about that.

1/ It should be remembered that it was uttered to a culture and people over 3000 years ago. The method of speaking was do a degee idiomatic.

2/ Even though God says he will visit the iniquity to the 3rd and 4th generation, it does not mean that the next generation cannot turn fully to God and be redeemed from this.

3/ The idea seems to be more that if the offspring follow the father, (behavior/attitude) they will indeed incur the same outcome, and that such an attitude in a father can reproduce itself in his own offspring by his bad example.

4/ Over all, while the literal language seems to suggest that God punishes children for the sins of the parents, we would be hard pressed to see any examples of this apart from where offspring actually emulate their fathers behavior.

Personally, I don't find that such a saying diminishes either the experience of or the idea of God's love, as portrayed in many other places in Scripture.

You might find some further useful information here to assist you in forming an opinion.
http://www.tektonics.org/lp/paydaddy.html

Cheers.

*bOAZy* Yr evolving aren't U? It's beautiful isn't it? Ssshh, don't tell anyone that I'm buttering U up. I confess in advance to having purely wicked and selfish motives though.

But ..

(a bit more couching 1st)
The Christians who took care of me at one time in my life were oft to say something to the effect that in the instance of what some would term "Spiritual Experience," that to speak of same leads to a detraction.

Speaking in particular contexts, the Head was oft to say:

"To speak is Silver, but to be silent is Golden."

Still, I would ask U:

"Are U one of the 500 who had an experience of Risen Lordy?"

If so, would U care to share with us?
And for the group, can U confirm that the crew wasn't on the mouldy bread or similar and that U have not a general predisposition to hallucinations generally due to certified pathology?

;-)

fractile[you do know francis bacon EDITEd the bible together?]

to keep the quote in context
with what was written

quote from
http://lookhigher.net/englishbibles/thegenevabible/exodus.html

..>>
Exo 34:5And the Lorde descended in the cloude,and stoode with him there,and proclaimed the name of the Lord...>>

clearly'the lord'means an angel
for none[in the flesh]can look upon'him'and live

>>..Exo34:6 So the Lord passed before his face,and cried,The Lord,the Lord,strong,mercifull,&gracious,slowe to anger,and abundant in goodnesse and trueth,

Exo34:7;Reseruing mercy for thousands,
forgiuing iniquitie,and transgression and sinne,
and not making the wicked innocent,....>>

note the difference
and NOT making etc,etc

thus it would continue
by inferance

NOR..

..>>visiting the iniquitie of the fathers vpon ye children,&vpon childrens children,vnto the third and fourth generation.
Exo34:8Then Moses made haste &bowed him selfe to the earth,and worshipped,

Exo34:9And sayde,O Lorde,I pray thee,If I haue founde grace in thy sight,that the Lorde woulde nowe goe with vs for it is a stiffe necked people)and pardon our iniquitie and our sinne,and take vs for thine inheritance..<<

of course begging of angels
to give the things only god can give
began with abraham wrestiling an angel etc

anyhow it is not subject to miss-interpritation[by us seeking to know god is good]thats what the NEW testimeant reveals

[recalling all the old people died in the desert
only the young came out of the wilderness]

same like dying and going to heaven
[re soddom and gomorra]
like with noah

death has no pain because the good go to the place of good
those living on may not have'got it'

but your quote is non the less
not from god

god is hardly likely to beseech himself with'lord lord'

,and as my book before me reads
''the compasionate and gracious god'',slow to anger,abounding in love and faithfullness,maintaining love to'thousands and forgiving rebellion and sin,yet does not leave the guilty unpunished

[rather sounds like a negative anti-thought compared to what was revealed before it]

we are expected to know the voice of our master
and know what he says

and what the deciever would edit into it

+,he is the moderator/editor in this realm

Poly/Boaz & UOG

I was quoting from the King James version. What versions of the bible do you read? And what makes their version of Exodus "more valid"?

BTW Poly/Boaz you are so fond of exhorting people to read whatever you deem worthy, quid pro quo, suggest you read:

http://www.modernphilosophy.com/philosophy/making_sense.html

And for UOG

http://www.dailywritingtips.com/english-grammar-101-sentences-clauses-and-phrases/

fractile;please name one book that can be fully understood by one line

the fact is any book has a fullsome story

one quote does not a FULL story reveal

THE book[clearly written/edited,revised/translated
by hundreds of people]
cannot be'the'word of god

but god can be found in it

but is hidden in the sum/spell of the words
like the tares that resmble the wheat
that do not clearly differentiate till harvest

when the tares may be pulled up[and discarded]

see the tares of the word
are the very thing you are harvesting[your chosing not to be seeing the wheat]god is love[light sustaining life]
no light[love]no life

yet via the proof of our senses and our reason we can see
that much of life has its tares[who can love a leech,a scary spider, a dangerous dog]

but god GAVE THEM LIFES GIFT TO LIVE TOO

if that dont prove god DONT judge what else can

if you seek god[you soon realise that tiny voice of concious [empathy,the love even the most vile beast usually holds for its own]

see the most vile[yet love their vile]

love dosnt seem to be differentiuating[thus isnt any judgment]but we are free to judge

but to judge others is fraught with dangers[what if we are judged by the same measure?]the thing is GOD DONT HOLD A GRUDGE
because god dont judge[anyone]

this is the key[god WONT judge you]but many others KNOWING they too wont be judged[by god]thus resent those who do

thus you get the 19 forgiven angels guarding the hells
but if you dont look for validation
believe as you chose

just dont expect that those forgiven by god like you are
wont yet desire the proof of your forgiving of others
before THEY[not god]decide if THEY can forgive

any not forgiving others passes the curse down to his own
i recall my father cursing me to not have known god in my innocence stage[i passed my ignorance on]what will the 3 rd generation be ?

even your quote first reveals the truth
then the fear[deception]LIE