Shadow Minister wrote:

"DB8R uses the word fundie, also South African like Johan Hendrick I guess."

Sounds more like Canadian baying at fundie.

Dear UOG

How can I put this gently....

You can't "discover" a land in/upon which people are already living.

Australia/New Holland was not "discovered" by the Dutch/Spanish/Portuguese/English/British etc. It was already inhabited.

You know, by those folk we refer to as Indigenous* Australians.

*(Indigenous Peoples or autochthonous peoples can be used to describe any ethnic group who inhabit a geographic region with which they have the earliest historical connection - from that ever faithful wikipepdia thingy)

The Dutch just happened to stumble upon a place already "found" by someone else. No credit to the Dutch either, as they were trying for the Dutch East Indies and got lost, kinda like when I get drunk and "discover" the laneway next to the pub.

well amjay no kidding

thanks for the info
BUT
it is typical of evolutionist debate
the non responses
and off topic trolls [and name calling]

not you of course amjay

i regret there was no verification here to support your evolution theory

[it was meant to be the topic]

i am well aware of the position re australian sovereignity

amoung other things i have lived at the aborigonal tent embassy in canberra[i curated the museum that got burnt down 3 times till i just pasted the info on the wall below the murel]

funny how the story of jesph banks poisening the natives with small pox riddled gifts is tried to be hushed up

as well as capt cooks sealed order's
and capt philyps commision

QUOTE[''..you are to endeavour BY EVERY POSSABLE MEANS to open intercourse with the native[delete savages]
and to consiliate their affections,ENJOINING ALL our subjects to live in amity and KINDNESS with them
AND if ANY of our subjects shall wantomly destroy them[OR GIVE them any UNESSESARY interuption in the exercize of their several occupations.
IT IS OUR WILL and pleasurethat you do cause such offenders bought to punishmentACCORDING TO THE DEGREE OF OFFENCE...'

BUT of course that is its own topic

>>..this topic is about evolution>>,

that clearly hasnt been replied
in the over 100 posts posted so far

one day some one might add up the off topic trolls
that must be getting near one third of the posts

all of which reveal clearly

no validation is available to support evolution
NOR abiogenesis as a science]

i guess i will just let the trolls flame away

it just reveals clearly
to those decieved by the theory
just who else supports the lie

and the level of proof some mindlessly accept as fact

just to prove im open minded
and that even bacteria are a little more complicated that even evolutionists could comprehend[LOL]

thus further elimination 'chance' as well as 'evolution'[came accros this researching siano bacteria[a plant that turns into a beast;lol]

quote..>>E-mail address: jan.michiels@agr.kuleuven.ac.be
Copyright 2004 Federation of European Microbiological Societies
KEYWORDS
Quorum sensing • Swarming • Surface translocation • Population density-dependent • N-acyl-homoserine lactone • AI-2
Abstract


Bacterial cells can produce and sense signal molecules, allowing the whole population to initiate a concerted action once a critical concentration (corresponding to a particular population density) of the signal has been reached, a phenomenon known as quorum sensing.

One of the possible quorum sensing-regulated phenotypes is swarming, a flagella-driven movement of differentiated swarmer cells (hyperflagellated, elongated, multinucleated) by which bacteria can spread as a biofilm over a surface. The glycolipid or lipopeptide biosurfactants thereby produced function as wetting agent by reducing the surface tension.

Quorum sensing systems are almost always integrated into other regulatory circuits. This effectively expands the range of environmental signals that influence target gene expression beyond population density.

In this review, we first discuss the regulation of AHL-mediated surface migration and the involvement of other low-molecular-mass signal molecules (such as the furanosyl borate diester AI-2) in biosurfactant production of different bacteria.

In addition, population density-dependent regulation of swarmer cell differentiation is reviewed. Also, several examples of interspecies signalling are reported. Different signal molecules either produced by bacteria (such as other AHLs and diketopiperazines) or excreted by plants (such as furanones, plant signal mimics) might influence the quorum sensing-regulated swarming behaviour in bacteria different from the producer. On the other hand, specific bacteria can reduce the local available concentration of signal molecules produced by others.

In the last part, the role and regulation of a surface-associated movement in biofilm formation is discussed. Here we also describe how quorum sensing may disperse existing biofilms and control the interaction between bacteria and higher organisms(such as the Rhizobium-bean symbiosis).

Received 14 March 2003, Revised 11 September 2003,Accepted 18 September 2003..<<

[dont kid the kidder]

"Judgment Day- Intelligent Design On Trial" tonight at 20:30 on SBS.
Should be interesting.

It's the 2nd part. If you missed the first part you should be able to watch it from the SBS website.

oug wrote:

just to prove im open minded
and that even bacteria are a little more complicated that even evolutionists could comprehend[LOL]

thus further elimination 'chance' as well as 'evolution'[came accros this researching siano bacteria[a plant that turns into a beast;lol]

quote..>>E-mail address: jan.michiels@agr.kuleuven.ac.be
Copyright 2004 Federation of European Microbiological Societies

Dear oug.

Probably every member of the Federation of European Microbiological Societies accepts evolution so those accepting evolution comprehend what bacteria can do.