Hey Folks,

He's a troll!

Don't feed him!

OUG

“changes within a species isnt changing into a new species”

Changes within a species are of just the same nature as changes that lead to the appearance of new species within a genus or within a group of closely related species. You just simply can’t counter that. You can’t provide anything whatsoever to indicate that it isn’t so, because…well... it is so….absolutely, end of story.

I’m really tempted to say, game, set and match, because in admitting that you can see ”micro evolutions” within a species, you have admitted that you ARE an ‘evolutionist’, at the most important level. That is, at the level that is happening around us right now.

Why on earth would you think that what is happening now is any different to what has always happened throughout the history of life on earth? Yes I asked you that question last time, and there was no response…..because… well, there is no answer.

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Foxy

Can you corroborate your assertion.

oug wrote:
"i have read two sites trying to find about your statement[not proof]
QUOTE..>>Please read about the finches. All dogs are one species. All finches aren't..<<"

I googled Darwin’s finches and got
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin's_finches which tells about Darwin’s finches and lists the genera and species.
Species

Genus Geospiza
Large Cactus-finch, Geospiza conirostris
Sharp-beaked Ground-finch, Geospiza difficilis
Vampire Finch, Geospiza difficilis septentrionalis
Medium Ground-finch, Geospiza fortis
Small Ground-finch, Geospiza fuliginosa
Large Ground-finch, Geospiza magnirostris
Darwin's Large Ground-finch, Geospiza magnirostris magnirostris - possibly extinct (1957?)
Common Cactus-finch, Geospiza scandens
Genus Camarhynchus
Vegetarian Finch, Camarhynchus crassirostris - sometimes separated in Platyspiza
Large Tree-finch, Camarhynchus psittacula
Medium Tree-finch, Camarhynchus pauper
Small Tree-finch, Camarhynchus parvulus
Woodpecker Finch, Camarhynchus pallidus - sometimes separated in Cactospiza
Mangrove Finch, Camarhynchus heliobates
Genus Certhidea
Warbler Finch, Certhidea olivacea
Genus Pinaroloxias
Cocos Island Finch, Pinaroloxias inornata

There are twelve different finch species in Australia. They are described and pictured on pages 308-313 of “The Slater Field Guide to Australian Birds.”

OUG,

“Nice try Horus” …does that mean I get four points?

I disagree with your take on the Masleko Strizhak experiment.The fact that the experiment was made under conditions that don’t mirror current Earth conditions means little. The Earths biosphere has changed many times over the eons. The outcome proves one of my original points: living and non-living are not two –black & white – states; there are intermediately forms that cannot be easily classified into either category.

Now to attempt a conversion!

There are a couple of issues raised in earlier postings which you haven’t adequately answered. How do you explain the following -anomalies- in gods creation :
1) Superfluous features: limbs or organs that are more bother than benefit.
-The human coccyx
-The human appendix
Are they the result of an error in the blue print?

2) Failed models
-Homo Erectus
-Homo Neanderthal
Were they practise runs?

3) Factory seconds
- Two headed cats, six legged sheep.
What happened – are these the models that come off the production line on a Friday?

All of the above can be adequately answered by evolution, but seem difficult to answer under a belief system which holds the responsible party is an all knowing, all powerful , all loving god.

And just by way of an aside: how can you be sure there is only ONE god?
How do you know there isn’t a ruddy great pantheon of gods out there?

Progress score - Horus leads 6 point to 0!

dear ludwig
checkout link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Phylogenetic_tree.svg

note the righthand branch
eucaryota[ this seems the theory]
from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_descent

many interesting points there as well

IF all finches come from the animal'line'[supposedly]
please reveal the finch chart
that could link to this root

or rather fill in the graps to your finches

then we will discuss more

HORUS
>>..How do you explain the following-anomalies-in gods creation:

1) Superfluous features:limbs or organs that are more bother than benefit.
-The human coccyx
-The human appendix
Are they the result of an error in the blue print?..<<

impresuming you mean'tail bone?
it has its role in early embryo development

google up what happens when it gets cut off the embryo
[no legs]
[the limb buds fail to form]

its organised from the grey streak ,
as study will reveal
but its pure genetics[not evolution]

..>>2)Failed models
http://creationontheweb.com/images/pdfs/tj/j03_1/j03_1_152-153.pdf
-Homo Erectus
-Homo Neanderthal
Were they practise runs?...<<

[NO fraud]
check out question15
http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:igMSW56WBdgJ:www.123facts.com/quiz_results.php%3Fquizid%3D2585+ww2+homoerectus+fossils+disapeared&hl=en&gl=au&strip=1

[such are the high stakes in this game]

http://www.weaverresearch.org/evol_table.htm

..>>3) Factory seconds..<<
extracted from
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Mutant
''well-known mutation in fruit flies causes the flies to have legs in place of antennas.[5]
An American aquarium even displays what it calls a "double mutant" snake that is both albino and has two heads[6],

though calling this a double mutation is a misnomer as the two-headed condition is a developmental abnormality and not a genetic mutation.
[thus not even close to an evolution]

Heracles and the Lernaean Hydra by Gustave Moreau: The Hydra is perhaps the best known mythological multi-headed animal, also popularised in many fantasy settings....

Similarly striking human mutations also occur occasionally...<<

please note its basis[your points?] is biology , physiology ,morpholgy , anthropology,etc[not evolution]

by the way

we cant serve two masters[ie thus ;one god]

FOXEY

aint it funny that im called the troll by a non respondant

typical

you cant provide PROOF

so call names

cheers eh
no hard feelings
only hard facts

OUG,

God does not exist,
Mary was not a virgin,
Jesus did not rise again, (only seen by his groupies)

Please prove these statements incorrect.

cheers eh
no hard feelings
only hard facts