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FOI USED TO ASSIST IN COVER UPS

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Jolanda,

The only hope you have in actually beating the Government is in taking them by surprise - that's why the media sometimes works (but that's probably your last shot in the locker). And history would show that your tactics have to be new or different if you hope to win. If you just use the Government's approved and operated processes, there is no hope of getting justice - you're just walking into the valley of death.

I think you pretty much have to wait for an event that shakes things up. No idea what it might be except to say that hardly anyone will see it coming.
Posted by RobP, Thursday, 20 November 2008 9:23:04 AM
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Divorce Doctor if there is a way for me to prosecute these people can you tell me how to do it? My biggest problem is that I do not know how and I cannot find precedents. I tried getting advice from Solicitors but there is something that stops them in relation to these types of complaints and I can only imagine it is that they use the same process to cover up their own misconduct.

Rob. Yeah I figure that something will happen at some time to shake it all up, in the meantime I will continue to fight. Hopefully a change of Government or even a change of a person in power in a Government Department. Ministers for Education have changed a few times but they have all refused to see me one used the excuse that they were busy for hte foreseable future. Not sure doing what as if bias, corruption and manipulation within the DET is not something important enough for them to want to listen to and act on then one has to wonder just what is their job.

I recently contacted the latest Minister V Firth and was told that they would ring me back. I am still waiting. They never ring back. Chances are that the Ministers do not even know, many times this is all being done under covers and the Ministers are just fed rubbish. If I was Minister I wouldn't put up with that!
Posted by Jolanda, Thursday, 20 November 2008 10:53:33 AM
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From what I remember, your complain is not the simple path with CSA for example, ie the legislation says CSR can/must do this but he did that. I think you are saying there was discrimination, so it becomes the airy fairy part of the law about racist/discrim/sexist stuff that is very hard to get one's hands around

can you perhaps summarise the problem IN NO MORE THAN 50 WORDS [the essense in these things is brevity of statement]

and back to lawyers, who is largest employer of lawyers in Oz - well it's CSA [as well as similar], so understand the situation?
Posted by Divorce Doctor, Thursday, 20 November 2008 1:12:57 PM
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Divorce Doctor. I made a complaint about the education of my children, since then there has been numerous documents produced under FOI that show evidence of bias, manipulation and tampering of test scores, school applications and state records relating to our 4 children over a period of 8 years. So basically:

Policy and Procedure has been breached in relation to the processing of school applications and in relation to handling of complaints. Codes of conduct have been breached and State records have been tampered with and manipulated in order to inflict harm, defame and oppress.

We have alleged and have evidence that supports that there is a conspiracy to cover up.

Today we were back at the ADT in relation to a few matters. It just seems amazing how many documents the DET cannot locate or find and this is despite the fact that these documents are required under the Record Keeping Act to be held and required to be produced under FOI. Problem is that nobody seems to see a problem with it, or connect the dots. They just have the bases covered. They allow the person about whom you complain to have the job of getting the documents and dealing with the complaints without supervision question or challenge and they loose/change or destroy any document that will support what is already showing in the documents and that you allege. So essentially they can say and do what they want as the person whom you allege is responsible is in charge of the FOI, the complaint and anything to do with matters to do with your family.

The ADT says that they have no power. Nobody seems to have any power except those accused of misconduct or a crime.
Posted by Jolanda, Thursday, 20 November 2008 4:49:53 PM
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Halo again *Jolanda*

If I may b permitted to put my 2 cents in?

I'd like 2 say in opening that I do not presume to know whether or not there is any truth in yr accusations or not. It is simply not "reasonably" possible for me to know based on the information that U have provided either here or on yr blog.

In fact, I found it difficult just to work out exactly what it is that U are complaining about. Clearly, u r distressed and have been for quite some time, but that in and of itself doesn't make yr claims either right of wrong.

I wld suggest that if U wish to pursue this matter further, take a course in "Legal Writing," "Plain English" and "Critical Thinking."

Having read a number of yr posts and yr blog, I imagine that U have, for right or for wrong, alienated a lot of people who may have otherwise helped U. U give me, and I may be incorrect, the distinct impression that U r neither "reasonable" nor "rational" and yr testimony indicates, in my view, little more than an endless stream of wild, unsubstantiated, accusations. "How to make friends and Influence People" would also be a good read for U i.m.o.

Having said that, I still do not dismiss the fact that there may b a basis in fact to yr claim, but U may care to note, that other people would be quick to use yr own myopic hostility as a good enuff reason to dismiss U out right. 1/2
Posted by DreamOn, Thursday, 20 November 2008 6:22:28 PM
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If U wish for further assistance from me and others so willing here, I suggest the following.

1. Scan yr original documents and register them on yr blog in strict chronological order. i.e. Yr FOI application, the response, yr application to the Ombudsman and their response.

That'll do for starters.

Further, re-do yr blog, removing hearsay, opinion, extrinsic and pejorative material and yr opinion. Blog out yr story in strict chronological order specifically limiting yrself to that which U have personally seen, smelled, touched or heard. This will later form the basis for an affidavit.

In relation to further appeal, in WA, post the Administrative Appeals Tribunal, from memory, there is further avenue of recourse to the Federal Court but that may be limited to points of law.

If u follow the guidelines above, that will enable us to remotely be able to figure out exactly which law/s have allegedly been breached and we can proceed from there.

I would thereafter suggest that U consider that none of us are perfect therefore U may b wrong and also that even if U r right, the law of this tin pot place may not support U in which case U can but seek public exposure and lobby.

I will use this thread as a locale for further communique shld u choose to heed my opinion.
Posted by DreamOn, Thursday, 20 November 2008 6:39:01 PM
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