mikisdad,
Said, "Hospitals were a product of the military and schools, of the industrial revolution".

Florence Nightingale a devout Christian began the work of caring for the wounded. Though medical practise though primitive is as old as mankind. Originally schools were religious training in reading and interpreting religious test and have existed for thousands of years. The first printing press was made to print Bibles, and the first ipod was developed for the Bible Society to listen to religious text in many language. However every culture has educated their children in the values and principles of the culture. The basis of all culture is formulated upon religious principles, even secularism

>>The basis of all culture is formulated upon religious principles, even secularism<<

¿qué?

I must have been misusing the term all these years, if secularism is "formulated upon religious principles".

First of all, how do you "formulate" secularism?

It is of course true that without religion, the word would have no meaning, since it denotes an absence:

"1. Religious skepticism or indifference
2. The view that religious considerations should be excluded from civil affairs or public education." (Answers.com)

But the concept of formulating this view "upon religious principles" is stretching the language well past breaking point.

>>Florence Nightingale a devout Christian began the work of caring for the wounded.<<

"Began", Philo?

In what sense did Florence Nightingale - who was in fact more a hospital administrator than a nurse herself - "begin" the work of caring for the wounded?

Are you suggesting that before she arrived in Scutari, wounded soldiers were left unattended?

Make no mistake, she had a fine intelligence and was a caring person, but it would be wrong to attribute any of this to her Christianity.

>>Originally schools were religious training in reading and interpreting religious test (text?)<<

Don't think so.

Even the pupils at Woodlands Junior School knows better than that.

http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/Homework/greece/schools.htm

>>The first printing press was made to print Bibles<<

Sorry, wrong again. Bi Sheng pioneered movable-type printing in China in the eleventh century, and certainly did not have Bibles in mind. Even the Gutenberg Bible was not the first book printed on the Gutenberg machine. It did not appear until 1454 or 1455, and Gutenberg had started printing around fifteen years earlier.

>>the first ipod was developed for the Bible Society to listen to religious text in many language<<

They really should tell this to Steve Jobs, as he is under the impression it was developed in his labs so that kids could play pop music.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Rubinstein

Where do you get your information from Philo? Cornflake packets? Christmas crackers? The labels on communion wine?

I seem to recall one of the early tasks of the "euro" printing press was to print the Hexen Hammer (Witches Hammer) so that after the wretches in the vatican discovered actually women are often smarter than men and can be more than glorified cooking & _ucking machines, that all strong willed, free thinking women were hunted down and systematically tortured, slaughtered etc etc for which now the catholics pathetically try to deny responsibility.

As a favourite bi sexual friend of mine once said, u'll know the catholics have changed when they have a Blak female pope.

That was a very funny post from Philo - the claim about iPods in particular. I think Philo likes to use big words in order to try and impress people.

Somebody should tell him what they mean, but I suppose that'd spoil the fun.

... thanks Pericles, Dream On, and CJ Morgan ... you saved me te chore of having to respond to Philo's fantasies ... thank god there are some other rational beings out there - oh no, I can't can I? - Philo must have got to me - I forgot for a moment, there isn't one...

I note you falsely take me to task while mikisdad escapes censure.

I suggest you study Florence Nightingale and discover her motives based in her beliefs.

The motives for Education were the principles of Cultural and social survival - teach the children. Education is based in religious philosophy, that gives meaning to life and behaviour