Nature "naturally" terminates some pregnancies as ur no doubt aware? If u claim "common sense & science" then u wld also no doubt b aware that there are many instances when the mother's life ought not b risked so the medical waste bucket it is. And of course, if its 2 b the bucket and if under a monthly age threshold, then some harvesting for science seems fine to me, providing strict public and peer transparency review mechanisms are in place.

It is ultimately in my view an issue of the RIGHT to choose of the individual concerned. It is not El Goddo i.m.o. who seeks to subvert and dominate the "I" of others, but rather the .. hmmm ... what's the word?

Homosexual? I think that wld not b an accurate reflection. Rather jumped up little cowards who have gone quite potty for lack of "normal" sexual release and turned into child rapists. I'm reasonably sure that yng girls do not escape their ministry either.

No, the gays in the church probably do a bit of poofing on the sly as is their right as mature consenting adults.

Whilst it is true that sex and drugs are out of control, particularly in the non religious schools, this to me is simply an issue of underfunding which leads to excessive class sizes, lack of security and not enuff teachers.

Yes, they deal prolifically in dexies, weed from their siblings etc etc and play freely with one another as they bodies bloom and mature. As a matter of sex education, I suspect that if certain STD's have become prolific it is becoz the kids don't have access to sanitation after their adventures and are sitting around going crusty thruout the day.

As an ex methodist school boy myself, I wld never as 1st option ever send a child under my care to a religious school. And note, we always most looked 4ward to socials with the catholic girls, as the repressed catholics were always much more interested in being liberated from bondage. Sweeet.

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Dear David,
I will put a cat amongst your pigeons . A black christian was accepted into a northern American Baptist university and on sunday he went to the local baptist church for the morning service and the ushers removed him . Sitting on the gutter crying he asked "why Lord Why". And the Lord answered with these words." don't worry my child they threw me out also".
I do not think you have any idea Who or what a christian is . Our Lord said these words in the book of Matthew,speaking of the kingdom of God "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad way that leads to distruction, and there are many who go in by it". "Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way that leads to life, and there are few who find it."
So you can see from those words few find the way for only God gets you into his kingdom . Not going to church. not being a good boy and earning brownie points or trying to convince people for it is up to God. All we can do is stop running away, Turn back to God and seek him with all your heart for the rest is up to God.
My daughter teaches in a christian school and a % of the children are dropouts that other schools put in the too hard basket.
Where would you place these children and What is your experiancial qualifications.

David f

I note the details in your first post where I am reminded of a vigorous debate which took place in the 60's.

The details are hazy, however, it appears that recurrent government grants to private and religious based schools were about to cease or be drastically reduced.

A bi-partisan decision by outraged parents of all private school pupils threatened the government that on a specific Monday, every private school student in the state would arrive at a state school for tuition.

The debate fizzled out very quickly.

Cheers

*Dickie + Richie 10*

Consider this. Bible bashers of all varieties, whether they b Muslim, Hindu or otherwise have in my experience a number of things in common. Firstly, they are all quite convinced that only they have the "truth" and secondly have a propensity to want to tell other people what to do.

Now, if u personally want to have a God concept that's fine, but don't try and force yr views upon others and most especially not children, for verily they are not as yet sufficiently mature to make a reasonable determination for themselves.

Parents all want their kids to have the best and when funds are removed in toto from religious bigots and children are protected from simplistic myopic indoctrination then I am reasonably sure that the world will b a more harmonious place.

As for the political churches and their arguable aiding and albeting in breaches of the Genocide Convention Act and also their alleged cover up of sexual abuse, legally speaking, off with their heads.

Dream on Which part my post offended you, was it the part where I said the church in U S A can be racial, or was it that God still speaks to individuals, or quoting Jesus words or the fact that christian schools are often the only place of last resort for parents of children with behavioural problems . Please tell me or else I am at loss to understand what is ofensive .

"You will find that most hospitals and educational institutions were started by Christians. I know that this is an uncomfortable fact for you."

This is *not* a fact.

Hospitals were a product of the military and schools, of the industrial revolution.

That is not to deny the good work that has been done in both of these areas by the religious. - Which raises another problem continually present in this discussion - that of xians speaking as though xianity were synonymous with religion - whereas, of course, religion is much bigger than xianity.

The 'fact' is - if you wish to speak about facts - that there is not a single piece of evidence for the existence of even on god - let alone the hundreds claimed by various religions throughout history.

Another 'fact' is that the younger the mind, the more malleable - and vulnerable to manipulation - it is. Indoctrinating children into any religious belief is therefore one of the most unconscionable and insidiously pernicious things that can be done to them - and this is what most religious schools do, and in *facct* why they are established.

Quite regardless of who should provide funding for such institutions - and it should certainly not be the state - the reality is that they should not exist at all - they are a crime against children.

The human race - even in a form that we recognise as such - is now some thousands of years old. Religious belief is nothing more than primitive superstition and, as such, had an understandable role as human beings attempted to interpret their world and surroundings. Today, we can split the atom, know that even the hardest rock is essentially full of holes, and that 'heaven' isn't just above the clouds - as Yuri Gagarin said: "There isn't any god up here"

Let's grow up - it's long past time.