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Posted by chainsmoker, Wednesday, 5 November 2008 6:57:57 PM
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Until Atheism can establish a system of positive beliefs and practises that explains the "Why of existence" that is acceptable to the whole of society it will always be a negative voice, with no answers.
All philosophical beliefs are based upon a primary premise that cannot be proved. Atheists cannot give a primary premise to prove God is not revealed. The character of God is primarily revealed in the human spirit. To remove the values of sacrifical love from the human spirit is to remove the expression of the divine in our world. Posted by Philo, Wednesday, 5 November 2008 7:10:10 PM
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For the record:
Church organisations are either Charities functioning on free will donations or "Not for Profit" organisations that merely receive funds to run a community programme. My wife works in an "Out of School Hours Care" programme and receives wages upon which she pays taxes. All salaried and employed staff pay taxes and they submit audited financial reports to the Government. All Church Businesses that have ABN status pay taxes on their profits as do all other profit making business. They have children from parents of every religion or no religion and they hold great status in their community because of their childhood development programmes organised by their childhood psychologist. Posted by Philo, Wednesday, 5 November 2008 7:28:32 PM
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It's the memes, stupid.
Posted by kencooke, Wednesday, 5 November 2008 9:49:13 PM
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"Until Atheism can establish a system of positive beliefs and practises that explains the "Why of existence" that is acceptable to the whole of society it will always be a negative voice, with no answers."
It's this kind of condescending attitude that motivates atheists to become proactive. Negative voice? You claim to know the "Why of existence", thus making your view non-negative?? God creates more questions than answers, the world with its great many flaws makes much more sense when you take God out of the equation. Why does God exist? Does he have an internal conflict because he cannot resolve the purpose of his own existence? "All philosophical beliefs are based upon a primary premise that cannot be proved. Atheists cannot give a primary premise to prove God is not revealed." You any many other posters are confusing what it means to be an atheist. You are most certainly a unicorn atheist, not a unicorn agnostic - sitting on the fence because you're not quite sure if unicorns exist. You cannot prove with certainty unicorns don't exist, but that hardly makes you agnostic. At what point did atheists claim their views infallable, as opposed to what they are, just logical observations. "To remove the values of sacrifical love from the human spirit is to remove the expression of the divine in our world." I don't even know exactly what that means. If you're trying to say humans are incapable of love and morality in the absence of God, then you take a very dim view of humanity. Ever observed love in the animal kingdom, or do you think all animals are soulless beasts incapable of such expression? If so might I suggest checking out 'Christian the Lion' on youtube. "All Church Businesses that have ABN status pay taxes on their profits as do all other profit making business. " I think you need to check your facts. Note the following from the Sanitarium website: 'The Company pays all local, state and federal taxes that apply to Australian companies apart from company profit tax.' Posted by potato991, Wednesday, 5 November 2008 10:19:25 PM
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David Nicholls,
You probably read this, but maybe other enthusiasts here have not: http://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/Theos_donates_to_atheist_bus_campaign.aspx?ArticleID=2601&PageID=14&RefPageID=14. Posted by George, Wednesday, 5 November 2008 11:19:57 PM
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Thanks for the explanation re state/legal restrictions.