Paul.L wrote, "I imagine MOST people with any integrity, respond to the ideas posted and not to the person posting"

I would go further. I would suggest that ANY person with any integrity would respond to the ideas posted.

If my name is to be put on a "wall of shame", then I would like the right to create another "wall of shame" to which names of those who habitually engage in personal attacks whilst adding little of substance to these discussions (or, in the case of this discussion, nothing of substance).

Anyhow, Paul.L, you're also free to show me and everyone else why the 9/11 Truth movement are wrong.

Have you listened yet to the debate on http://noliesradio.org ? Do you believe that Micchels Shermr acquitted himself well?

James Sinnamon/daggett/cacofonix/et al: << "... is it really conceivable that daggett would have thought that he could have pulled it off?" >>

Well, if he hasn't, it certainly isn't for want of trying! One thing about James and his sock puppets - they certainly "pull" together.

Princess Diana did it.

Dagget,

If that’s the name your using for the moment, how about you apologise for deliberately misleading everyone here by posting under another username.

Secondly,

I see your post is pretty much lifted whole from the “IDIOTS GUIDE TO 9/11 CONSPIRACY THEORY” AKA the 911 Research website. You really can’t be serious. The site has NO SUPPORTING EVIDENCE of any kind. Go see a debunking site and NOTE the massive difference in supporting evidence and intellectual rigour.

You say >> Existing engineering theory is invalidated. A new phenomenon -- progressive collapse -- has to be invented.

Mate this is bullsh!t on a basic level. For starters engineering theory is NOT invalidated. In any case there is really no such thing as ENGINEERING theory, there is Statics, Dynamics and Physics in general.

"The WTC was constructed in quite a unique manner. The towers were designed as framed tube structures, providing tenants with open floor plans. The World Trade Center had a steel facade, with 59 perimeter columns on each side of the building, that were designed to resist lateral and gravity forces. The interior core was designed only to carry gravity load."
http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/World_Trade_Center

See here for details and pictures of the construction of the WTC. http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/World_Trade_Center
http://www.debunking911.com/towers.htm
http://www.debunking911.com/civil.htm

Timeline of the north tower collapse
NYPD helicopters report deteriorating conditions of the North Tower.
• At 10:20 a.m., the NYPD aviation unit reports that the top of the tower might be leaning.
• At 10:21 a.m., the NYPD aviation unit reports that the North Tower is buckling on the southwest corner and leaning to the south.
• At 10:27 a.m., the NYPD aviation unit reports that the roof is going to come down very shortly.
• At 10:28 a.m., the NYPD reports that the tower is collapsing. http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/World_Trade_Center

you say >> “No steel-frame building is safe -- Isolated fires can cause total collapse.”

Again more rubbish. Each building needs to be assessed on its own merits. Those buildings like the WTC may be at risk from catastrophic fires. Isolated fires? You mean 10-20 stories completely ablaze.

TBC

CONT,

”The aircraft, traveling at 470 mph, hit the building at the 94-98th floors. The aircraft was carrying approximately 10,000 gallons of jet fuel, which is less than half of capacity.[14] At impact, the aircraft was banked 25° to the left, cutting a gash that was over half the width of the building and extended from the 93 to 99th floor.[14] 15-18 perimeter and 5-6 core columns were severed at the 95th/96th floors.[15] A large section of the 96th floor slab, 40 ft wide and 80 ft in depth, was destroyed upon impact.[15] Insulation was knocked off nearly all the core columns and 40 foot portion of the floor trusses on the south side of the tower.[15] Twelve perimeter columns were severed on the 97th floor.[16] In all, 35 perimeter and six core columns were severed.[16] Fireproofing insulation was stripped off of 43 out of 47 core columns, as well as floor trusses covering 60,000 ft2 of area.[17] http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/World_Trade_Center

* Firefighters should no longer enter burning buildings.

What?? Do you really WANT to be taken seriously, whatever your name is?

You say >> “... other far more severe high-rise fires ”

Has it even occurred to you to compare the construction methods, design and materials to see if these examples have ANY relevance? Also, did a 315,000lb aircraft fly into any of those buildings at 3/4 the speed of sound? Think about what a couple of ounces of lead can do at the speed of sound, ie bullets.

You say >> “ The steel superstructures of the towers provided no more resistance to the falling rubble than air.”

You don’t need to look very far to find the debunking of the “free-fall-theory”
Here are pictures to help you understand, http://www.debunking911.com/towers.htm

You say >> “The towers' concrete was pulverized in the air.”

You don’t think a couple million tonnes of steel and concrete might pulverise some concrete? Or maybe you are talking about the “puffs-of-dust” theory which has also been THOROUGHLY debunked. http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=4#puffs

you should have a look at what this structural engineer had to say http://www.debunking911.com/civil.htm
or this one http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=4#puffs

I can see that I have been again arguig with someone who is either a moron or who chooses to act like a moron for reasons known only to himself.

I certainly won't be holding my breath waiting for him to explain to us, amongst other things, where the claims of the 9/11 Truth Movement have been "been well and truly debunked".