But Forrest, when the tapes were shown and the enquiries were made and the court cases were done, the holocaust was shown to have occurred, becuase there was a ton of evidence.

The enquiries have been made, the experts have given their opinions and verdicts, the computer model reconstructions have been done.....and the verdict is all the same: no conspiracy (except by the attackers themselves).

Unless of course you believe that all the 'independent' researchers and investigators are on the take as well. In which case, you are a nutbag and there is no use in even bothering to convince you of what reality is, you have decided that for yourself and no one will take that away from you

Can we please stop wasting time and energy on this crap?.

I dont think youre a conspiracy nut daggett.

We all tend to believe in the sinfulness of man.
People are always plotting against other people...in families, in offices.
Its the way of fallen man.
For conspiracies to have foundation there really needs to be proof though.
Someone has to come out and blab about such a surrepticious plan for it to be real.
For years I believed the CIA/US Defense etc assassinated John Kennedy to get rid of him or to get the US into Vietnam...but there was never any evidence.

A few years ago I saw a computer graphics re-enactment of the shooting and the author was correct when he calculated all angles. One man had done the shooting. There was no second shooter. I then became convinced that it was Oswald as was originally suspected.

What would it benefit US intelligence to be part of a conspiracy to destroy the Twin Towers? Would they do it to start a war with Iraq to get at the oil? Its been proven that the US doesnt really want the oil and is slowly handing Iraq back to the Iraqis. Besides theres so much non-oil tech hidden away or being presently worked on to replace oil that soon oil may not be all that important...I believe it.

In the end God Judges all men.
"It is appointed for man to die but once and then the Judgment".
It all gets balanced out.
If we look at Mary K. Baxters divine revelation of hell...we see where the bad boys go.

CJ Morgan,

Could you please myself and other OLO users as to what you mean by the term "obsessive" and also how I might be able to avoid being labelled as such by you from now on?

Why it is obsessive for someone to raise issues on OLO of obvious relevance to the international political controversies of the day and to properly argue against those with contrary views? (Others may choose to look at daggett's recent contributions at OLO:

"Winning the war in Iraq" at
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2052&page=0#45928
"Was the subversion of democracy in the 'free world' necessary to fight the 'evil' of 'communism'?" at http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2121&page=0
"Australia and Canada: what cost cultural diversity?" at http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=7896&page=0
"Australia exports its draconian immigration system" at http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=7894
"1942, Australia’s greatest peril" at http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=7859&page=0
... and form their own judgement.)

Having started this thread, I may not be able to personally participate further for a few more days.

I urge people to look at the evidence as cacofonix has urged. If anyone has an hour to spare, I believe that listening to the radio debate (labeled "Were the World Trade Towers brought down by controlled demolition?" at http://noliesradio.org/) would be well worth their time.

Other documents or web sites arguing for and against the 9/11 Truth Movement include:

Against:

http://www.debunking911.com/
Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report - Popular Mechanics at http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=3
"How Skeptics Confronted 9/11 Denialism" at
http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/08-06-04.html
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/

For:

"Book Review: Debunking 9/11 Myths, by Popular Mechanics" at http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20070402105006226
"Popular Mechanics Attacks Its "9/11 LIES" Straw Man" at http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050208093000680
http://ny911truth.org/
http://www.ae911truth.org/
http://www.911truth.org/
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/

There should probably be another thread for my comments here, but Gibo, I look forward to our non dependence on oil. With the technology that has gone into making quick recharge, long lasting lightweight batteries, I wonder why we aren't seeing so many electric cars. The technology is now available to make and electric car that is capable of freeway speeds and long range, complete with passenger comforts such as CD player & air conditioning. I hope to be driving one of these in the not to distant future, and recharging this at home when I have solar panels. You're right about the technology that's there and being worked on Gibo, but what about the Oil Companies? Are they going to allow this to happen quickly?

Gibo,

The 9/11 Truth movement has shown that a lot of glaring holes in the government's case and have shown that a lot of evidence which contradict the government's case was not acknowledged by the first 9/11 commission.

I don't recall the precise amount but less that US$1 million was spent on the 9/11 Commission. In contrast US$40 million was spent investigating the Monica Lewinksy scandal.

If a commensurate amount were to be spent on a new commission then we would be able to learn the answers to many of these questions one way or the other.

There is something extremely suspicious about the attacks. And I think that is an understatement.

People who 'dismiss' it as a conspiracy seem to do so because they believe no conspiracies exist in the real world, when in fact they are common.. Adam Smith, for example talked about conspiracy against the public:

"People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices."

Now you substitute trades interests with global powers that want to survive at any cost and you have very wealthy, powerful and desperate incentive.