and we must realise that no more Parenting Payment [which was sole parent pension, lone parent pension, lonely parent pension, sole mum pension, mothers little helper etc etc etc]

Fat Pete done welfare to work and so all those now come under the dole [but at "enhanced" rate - go figure]

all that was done to hide the fact that Howard's ball cruncher on R&D had sent so many overseas he had to INCREASE the unemployment figures to cover up his blooper

but "New Mal" in Parliament today introduced PMB to help us putative pensioners, but nobody was there to second the Bill

what a stuff up

Room exists to truly talk about the subject.
My earlier post mentioned the fat family lining up to vote conservative then going home to the dole, and cash earning back yard workshop.
Weak attempt maybe, but I wanted to highlight my view we take sides on this issue.
We do!
We on the left of center seem to think of those who want accountability as our enemy, and those who get the welfare our Friends.
The other side invented the term dole bludger, and seems to find no victims among those who get welfare.
We, those left of center mostly want better for those on welfare, I do.
But how many ,come on how many of us truly think we serve our case by ignoring the fact some should not get welfare?
My nephew now gone thank you, slept every day as I said and thought work for the dole was unfair.
The dole should be free he said, well current work for the dole is unfair but not for that reason.
His mate? 26 years old got a job for the first time but gave it up!
After a week it interfered with his life style.
I help people get jobs every week but some refuse the help.
I truly would clean toilets or any job if it kept me from welfare my generation thought like that.

Buggsy, you really appear hell bent on branding me as a "dole hater' and I can assure you that I am not.

What pisses me off is the 'true' dole bludger. As belly says, they don't work yet they make a good living in the back yard. Now the making of a living I have no problem with, but collecting the dole at the same time, now there's the problem. I say again, a cashless society will stop all this in it's tracks.

Furthermore, why should one be allowed to be 'off their face' while being supposedly actively seeking work when more and more work places have zero D & A policies in place?

Any constructive answers here buggsy? Or do you just want to re-affirm your support for the 42%'ers

"Buggsy", you are clearly an UNDER ACHIEVER, just like I am apparently a public servant. Just as well we have the whingeing slum landlord and his cronies to tell us.

Belly - we already knew that National voters are AGRARIAN SOCIALISTS! Hardly surprising that they're 'dole bludgers' as well.

Why don't we just shoot 'em?

The topics that you have raised are unrelated and share only the word 'welfare'. It's really just a rehashing of how we can get people off 'welfare', without realising of course what tradeoffs are and the social benefits are for them to be on it. If they are collecting the dole, they are less likely to be running a meth lab out of your lower end rental property to make ends meet.

I have seen what a lack of welfare does for people, in the state of Indiana alone hey were busting meth labs at the rate of 1100 a year. Indiana has a population of about 6.5 million, many of them at the lower end of the economic scale.

I really can't stand dole-bludger-bashers, it's lazy. Noone likes the fact that people take advantage of the system, reducing this number has been tried with aggressive policies and tactics before, but you always end up hurting not the potheads ( they often have and alternative source of income), but older people who can't find a job because of their age and don't qualify for the pension. I know a few of these as well. And they have to deal with landlords complaining about repairing properties and putting up the rent whenever possible. It's not a hypothetical- I know these people.

You can be a boastful about how well you are off and how 'productive' you are, but it won't impress anyone who who has to deal with the unlucky ones.

Bugsy have you even been hungry? truly Bl@@dy hungry?
Have you sat at the table 3 meals in a row eating pumpkins and spuds nothing else?
Have you gathered the skins the next morning and cooked them?
Have you at each meal seen mum and dad not eat so you could?
I the eldest survivor of 16 kids have.
I can tell you of so very many big bush family's who saw the eldest working before they became teens to feed siblings.
Why must we be blind to welfare theft?
How can you think a proud trade unionist with that background could ever want other than a better life for those who must relie on welfare?
Pot heads? can you think its a welfare thing to smoke pot.
I want Kevin Rudd to re craft welfare to see if we can make superannuation contributions easier, to help those who need it to continue to live a life worth while.
But no free rides for bludgers.
A social activist till death I put some on welfare in that group, no Friend of the true needy or mine.
Some middle class middle income people are blind to reality the poor are often victims of those who think they are helping.